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re: Carry pistol for a young lady?

Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:30 am to
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:30 am to
Let her pic play with many and choose
Posted by BayouNation
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:34 am to
It's no laughing matter. If my little lady feels the need to pull out her revolver and pull the trigger, I feel 100% confident she can do it. Put a semi in her hand (under a panic situation) that has a safety and other "buttons" and that drops significantly. Yes we tried having her shoot different types, she's much more comfortable with the revolver. So that's what she carries. It's not even debatable in our case.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:50 am to
What are all these buttons you are talking about?

My Glocks have the same number "buttons" as your revolver but carries more rounds and is faster to reload.

My 11 year old can operate my Glocks with easy and knows tap, rack, and pull.

Yall see to be over complicating it.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10684 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:58 am to
The xd's will have a grip safety and the sig p238 and p938 have thumb safeties since they are SA only. I believe a carry handgun should be simply like the glock or a revolver.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:13 am to
yep. maybe some sort of quick release pouch or container carrying some extra bullets for just a what if scenario and she's set. Whistle/Revolver/Phone...
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:53 am to
Thanks to Prop for linking a bunch of old posts that repeat this same question. And thanks to ctiger69 for the shoutout...

I'll keep it simple:

1. Have her learn proficiency on a full sized gun first, whether that is with a full sized semi or a full sized revolver.

2. If she trains with one of your full sized guns, teach her to properly rack the slide with an overhand grip. Most men can rack a handgun using a slingshot grip but for those who lack the strength in their forearms, the overhand racking method gets larger muscle groups involved and makes it much easier.

3. Once she becomes proficient with a full sized gun, have her practice on a smaller gun to learn to tame recoil. The reason I don't start new shooters with a tiny gun is that the individual is so worried about felt recoil and not focusing on the fundamentals. A full sized 9mm, a full sized 357 loaded with 38s, or even a target 22 is a good starting point before teaching her to manage recoil. Also make sure she does not use a "teacup" grip as that will reduce her ability to manage recoil.

4. I completely disagree with Chad about suggesting an LCR9mm. I would never advise someone carry a revolver designed to shoot a rimless cartridge since the gun becomes useless if you lose the moon clips. The LCR is a decent little gun but I would advise you stick with 38 special if you choose that one.

Hopefully this wall of text is easy to digest...
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:59 am to
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4. I completely disagree with Chad about suggesting an LCR9mm. I would never advise someone carry a revolver designed to shoot a rimless cartridge since the gun becomes useless if you lose the moon clips. The LCR is a decent little gun but I would advise you stick with 38 special if you choose that one.



i'm a bit naive about this but in a 10 second google search, seems like one of the biggest points of the moon clips is to design it to load and unload faster with one sweeping unload/load. I got no problems with a suggestion of another revolver/ that was pretty much my entire point of that google pic i found.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:01 am to
quote:

I'll keep it simple:

1. Have her learn proficiency on a full sized gun first, whether that is with a full sized semi or a full sized revolver.

2. If she trains with one of your full sized guns, teach her to properly rack the slide with an overhand grip. Most men can rack a handgun using a slingshot grip but for those who lack the strength in their forearms, the overhand racking method gets larger muscle groups involved and makes it much easier.

3. Once she becomes proficient with a full sized gun, have her practice on a smaller gun to learn to tame recoil. The reason I don't start new shooters with a tiny gun is that the individual is so worried about felt recoil and not focusing on the fundamentals. A full sized 9mm, a full sized 357 loaded with 38s, or even a target 22 is a good starting point before teaching her to manage recoil. Also make sure she does not use a "teacup" grip as that will reduce her ability to manage recoil.


to add, OP asked for suggestions on a carry gun for the young lady. i don't appreciate your stereotyping attitude just going off ASSuming that because she's a young lady that you ASSume she's not already proficient with the beginning aspects of shooting already. prick.











and i know you down voted my picture. cat stole your thunder huh...
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 11:03 am
Posted by Propagandalf
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Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:18 am to
quote:

biggest points of the moon clips is to design it to load and unload faster with one sweeping unload/load.


The biggest point of the moon clip is as an "adapter" to hold a rimless case (such as 9mm, .40SW and .45 ACP) in the cylinder. This is usually accomplished by the rim on the case of traditional revolver rounds. They make speed loaders for any revolver so the moon clip is not really an advantage there if that is what you are after.

You can see the rim at the base of the case on the 45-70, .357, .38 and .22 and how the 9mm and .40 look different at the base and lack a rim:
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 11:20 am
Posted by BayouNation
Member since Sep 2008
2009 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:24 am to
quote:

What are all these buttons you are talking about?


That's what she calls them. Magazine release button, slide catch lever, etc.

quote:

My Glocks have the same number "buttons" as your revolver


Wrong.

quote:

My 11 year old can operate my Glocks with easy and knows tap, rack, and pull.

Yall see to be over complicating it.


To each his own. A J-frame revolver is NOT complicated at all for my little lady. If she squeezes off a round at whomever is coming at her, I doubt they hang around to see if she can reload quickly.

I'm just telling you what fits my little lady's hands and her comfort level. Whatever argument you have won't change our mind.


Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:25 am to
quote:

The biggest point of the moon clip is as an "adapter" to hold a rimless case (such as 9mm, .40SW and .45 ACP) in the cylinder.


Prop is right here. The revolver was not originally designed to fire a rimless cartridge so the moon clip makes that possible. But without the moon clip, the rimless case will slip into the cylinder without being able to be extracted.

Speedloaders work with rimmed revolver rounds to make them easier to load but they are not required for the gun to operate. Moon clips are a necessity for a revolver designed to shoot a rimless cartridge.

quote:

to add, OP asked for suggestions on a carry gun for the young lady. i don't appreciate your stereotyping attitude just going off ASSuming that because she's a young lady that you ASSume she's not already proficient with the beginning aspects of shooting already. prick.


quote:

and i know you down voted my picture. cat stole your thunder huh...


Guilty as charged!
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5534 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:44 am to
My wife shot all the favorites around here and got the shield 9. She carries daily. Only thing is it was difficult for her to rack it brand new, and I'll be honest, it was tight as shite, but after a few hundred rounds and got a easier and she operates it just fine.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:57 am to
My point is if she prefers the revolver for how it feels shooting it that's fine.

But claiming a semi auto is too complicated is just silly.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11914 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Only thing is it was difficult for her to rack it brand new, and I'll be honest, it was tight as shite, but after a few hundred rounds and got a easier and she operates it just fine.


The same will happen with the magazine springs. I've found Shield mag springs to be crazy tight but after shooting the snot out of the gun everything will smooth out a bit.

quote:

But claiming a semi auto is too complicated is just silly.


Agreed. If someone buys a handgun with the intention to never train with it, that person is setting his/her self up for failure. Semi autos have a manual of arms just like a revolver and all must be practiced.
Posted by BayouNation
Member since Sep 2008
2009 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

But claiming a semi auto is too complicated is just silly.


That's my little lady, she's a silly one.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65050 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:28 pm to
Update: I'm starting her off on the Ruger SR22 to get her familiar with a semi auto. Then we will trip to the gun store to find out what she likes.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10684 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:33 pm to
Moonclips are really cheap:
quote:


the gun becomes useless if you lose the moon clips
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30518 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 2:21 pm to
I'm bookmarking this thread to link Prop's post if he isn't around.

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