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Bravo Company Vs. building my own
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:09 pm
So I'm getting ready to order and or build another upper, and as in I'm getting ready, I mean I would like to order something tonight or tomorrow. I guess my question is, what is the difference in ordering an aero upper and sticking a faxon or ballistic advantage barrel and a handguard of my choice on it, quality wise, over ordering the BCM? The BCM upper is about 685, I could build my own for about 450 to 500. What do I get with the BCM that I wouldn't get in building my own?
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:10 pm to boatless2
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What do I get with the BCM that I wouldn't get in building my own?
the BCM logo
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:13 pm to boatless2
What's parts you using to build and which BCM upper?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:14 pm to Kino74
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the BCM logo
Thats what I figured.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:22 pm to boatless2
Just read Props post on the ar thread discussion gas port size, quality control, etc. So maybe Im not just buying the BCM name?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:23 pm to onelochevy
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the BCM logo
Meh - he could buy one of their excellent BCGs.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:28 pm to Ace Midnight
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Meh - he could buy one of their excellent BCGs.
Was planning on buying one of props BCG. Hate to ask, but is there an quality difference between the 2?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:41 pm to boatless2
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Was planning on buying one of props BCG. Hate to ask, but is there an quality difference between the 2?
Prop puts a lot of thought into everything he does in this respect. Custom is almost always going to beat mass produced.
I was mainly joking - you can build your own AND get the logo.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 6:28 pm to boatless2
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What do I get with the BCM that I wouldn't get in building my own?
Buying BCM:
PROS: Warranty, peace of mind knowing it was done right, time savings, tool cost savings, probably cheaper than buying the exact same components individually, performance, reliability and did I mention knowing it was done right?
CONS: Little more expensive, don't get to pick the exact components
Doing yourself:
PROS: Fun project, new tools, sense of ownership, save a little cash, pick exact components, performance, reliability
CONS: No warranty, not guaranteed to function on first attempt, the agony/rabbit-holing of the newcomer trying to figure out what the best 'X' is, cost of tools you may never use again/cost of gunsmith to assemble, performance, reliability
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:47 pm to Propagandalf
Thanks prop, thats what I was looking for. Will performance vary as in recoil or accuracy between the two? I haven't read much on gas port size, but form what I have I keep hearing how important it is in helping with recoil.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:19 pm to boatless2
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Thanks prop, thats what I was looking for. Will performance vary as in recoil or accuracy between the two?
Depends on the components on each you are comparing.
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I haven't read much on gas port size, but form what I have I keep hearing how important it is in helping with recoil.
You'really pretty much stuck with the gas port size you get depending on the barrel and manufacturer. If you're going for a carbine I'd get a 16" from a known good manufacturer (not the $79 special from the discount website) with mid length gas and just run an H buffer. "Recoil" on the .223/5.56 is extremely tame, not sure why so much talk about reducing it has popped up lately with brakes and buffer systems.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:27 pm to Propagandalf
alright, I would assume the faxon barrels you sell are just as good as say the BCM barrels? That other 70/90 bucks is for the BCM name on the side of it?
any brand of buffers you like? heard good things about the spikes buffers
also, is there any reason to go with the 16 over the 14.5 if I go the BCM route? Really wanting to go 14.5 with a break to save on the lenght.
any brand of buffers you like? heard good things about the spikes buffers
also, is there any reason to go with the 16 over the 14.5 if I go the BCM route? Really wanting to go 14.5 with a break to save on the lenght.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 9/1/16 at 2:16 am to boatless2
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alright, I would assume the faxon barrels you sell are just as good as say the BCM barrels?
Faxon barrels are capable of 1 MOA accuracy if you are. Thats pretty much all I need from an AR barrel.
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any brand of buffers you like? heard good things about the spikes buffers
Man, I just use regular ol' 3.0oz carbine buffers and swap tungsten weights in to make H1, H2, H3 buffers. I'm not big on wasting money where is dosen't need to be spent on the gimmicky parts. As for the Spikes buffers, this may still be the case, at one point Spikes was using tungsten powder in their buffers. Some people think the use of actual moving sliding weights is an intentional part of the buffer system. I tend to agree.
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also, is there any reason to go with the 16 over the 14.5 if I go the BCM route? Really wanting to go 14.5 with a break to save on the lenght.
I'd suggest going with the 16, simply because it doesn't involve pinning your muzzle device and locking you into a configuration. Also, I prefer the mid length gas system on a 16 barrel. You'll likely not notice the extra inch, TWSS. I wouldn't put a brake on a 5.56 carbine either. My go tos are flash hiders, compensators and silencers.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 8:14 am to boatless2
Does Faxon HP test their barrels? After a quick search of their site, it looks like they MPI, but that's inconclusive without a prior HP test.
What do you want the rifle for? If the answer is "anything", get a hammer forged barrel that has been HP tested and MPI. Preferably nitrided over chrome lined. Both finishes are good and I'm splitting hairs to a degree, but the nitride finish is better for accuracy and consistency over a long period of time, imo.
The hammer forged barrels are denser and better suited for hot and heavy use in certain scenarios that could fall under "anything".
What do you want the rifle for? If the answer is "anything", get a hammer forged barrel that has been HP tested and MPI. Preferably nitrided over chrome lined. Both finishes are good and I'm splitting hairs to a degree, but the nitride finish is better for accuracy and consistency over a long period of time, imo.
The hammer forged barrels are denser and better suited for hot and heavy use in certain scenarios that could fall under "anything".
Posted on 9/1/16 at 8:28 am to Propagandalf
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As for the Spikes buffers, this may still be the case, at one point Spikes was using tungsten powder in their buffers. Some people think the use of actual moving sliding weights is an intentional part of the buffer system. I tend to agree.
I can absolutely attest to this.
In a carbine course with Advantage Group, I was running a spikes tungsten powder buffer and the bolt was short-stroking towards the end of the class. I thought it was the upper at first but when I swapped to my lower with an old mil spec buffer it ran like a top again.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Run the standard buffer.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 8:36 am to Propagandalf
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Man, I just use regular ol' 3.0oz carbine buffers and swap tungsten weights in to make H1, H2, H3 buffers.
I like this concept (although I did buy a Spikes tungsten powder buffer, too) - do you have a source for the weights? And do all mil-spec buffers come apart so you can add weights?
I would much prefer that to having a shite ton of different buffers, experimenting with A5, and all that nonsense.
I'm all about standardization.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 10:52 am to boatless2
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Buying BCM: PROS: Warranty, peace of mind knowing it was done right, time savings, tool cost savings, probably cheaper than buying the exact same components individually, performance, reliability and did I mention knowing it was done right? CONS: Little more expensive, don't get to pick the exact components
Building yourself
Cons: It's not BCM.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 11:38 am to RATeamWannabe
quote:The Jack Carbine looks pretty awesome. It's 14.5" and has a Inforce wml, but otherwise pretty awesome looking.
Cons: It's not BCM.
BCM's keymod system is pretty much what kept me from buying from them.
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 9/1/16 at 11:43 am to Mahootney
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The Jack Carbine looks pretty awesome. It's 14.5" and has a Inforce wml, but otherwise pretty awesome looking.
When the Jack came out, I got on a notification list to see when it was back in stock. Several months later, I gave up on buying one
They look incredible though, definitely would own if I had the disposable income.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:04 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Does Faxon HP test their barrels? After a quick search of their site, it looks like they MPI, but that's inconclusive without a prior HP test.
MPI and HPT both leave much to be desired in trying to figure out what they are trying to figure out. To really figure out what you are looking for from these test would require the object be destroyed. I put zero to little stock in items that have this additional testing. To me it is way more important to know that the manufacturer is using the best materials, processes, quality controls and are experienced at heat treating. This is what leads to quality barrels. Is there an epidemic of non-HPT barrels exploding that I don't know about?
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The hammer forged barrels are denser and better suited for hot and heavy use in certain scenarios that could fall under "anything".
Under hot and heavy use, i.e. extreme sustained fire, which you will never do, the gas tube is going to fail before a 4150 CMV nitrided/chromed barrel with a typical profile fails.
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