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Beginning fly fishing
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:51 am
I'm going to Colorado next week and I kind of fell into it at the last second. I'll be going to pick up an orvis encounter 9' 5# today and would appreciate any advice/underrated tools to help me catch fish and enjoy my trip. Thanks in advance
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:56 am to ZacharyTiger17
Youtube how to videos and practice in an open area will help you get the feel before your trip.
Learning where fish sit, and how to present the fly to them comes with experience. A good guide will help you with that.
Learning where fish sit, and how to present the fly to them comes with experience. A good guide will help you with that.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:58 am to ZacharyTiger17
I'm taking the Orvis class this weekend
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:01 am to PapaPogey
I won't be taking any classes or have a guide, I will probably go the YouTube route. We'll be driving throughout the state of Colorado hitting a lot of the gold metal trout waters. Hopefully I get a technique down in the first few days
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:02 am to ZacharyTiger17
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Beginning fly fishing
The hardest thing is to realize that you have to let the line do the work, not your arm. Don't whip the rod back and forth. You have to learn the cadence of the cast.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:05 am to ZacharyTiger17
Oh bro....a class by a professional is the only way to go. Such a thing can't be learned on ones own using you tube or reading a lot about the subject and practicing in the yard.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:09 am to LSUintheNW
Well I guess I'll sink or swim. If worst comes to worst I can just hike or something if I get too frustrated. One of my buds going on the trip has experience, not a pro by any means thought
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:15 am to ZacharyTiger17
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I won't be taking any classes or have a guide, I will probably go the YouTube route
Why not just buy a light spinning rig? I'm going to sound like an arse by saying this but you're not going to learn how to cast in a week by watching youtube videos. Orvis fly fishing 101 is free, and they have a class this weekend. You will learn more in the few hours of that class than you will trying to figure it out on your own.
I've seen this happen more times than I can count. Someone buys a combo for a trout trip and spends the first day or two frustrated before giving up.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:17 am to ZacharyTiger17
I began fly fishing without lessons, only books and videos. Got some tips here and there from folks. Learned to cast primarily in the back yard. Eventually got a few lessons and picked up some help on guided trips.
You can certainly become a capable caster without lessons. The harder part will be finding fish, landing fish, developing drift technique, etc. I've seen decent casters try their luck for hours with little to no results, only to replicate most of the same stuff with a guide and have great success. Of course, I know some pretty capable fly fisherman who never got lessons and never use guides.
But regardless, get out there and have fun. Get your waders wet (if applicable), focus on casting technique and appreciate how awesome it is just to be out there. Don't get frustrated. Down the road you may look back on this trip as a blown opportunity when your skills improve, but you already know that, so lower your expectations and enjoy yourself.
You can certainly become a capable caster without lessons. The harder part will be finding fish, landing fish, developing drift technique, etc. I've seen decent casters try their luck for hours with little to no results, only to replicate most of the same stuff with a guide and have great success. Of course, I know some pretty capable fly fisherman who never got lessons and never use guides.
But regardless, get out there and have fun. Get your waders wet (if applicable), focus on casting technique and appreciate how awesome it is just to be out there. Don't get frustrated. Down the road you may look back on this trip as a blown opportunity when your skills improve, but you already know that, so lower your expectations and enjoy yourself.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:19 am to ZacharyTiger17
Which part of the state are you heading? Runoff is starting, or has started in many areas and a lot of the water right now is hosed.
Good luck....
Good luck....
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:24 am to Barf
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I've seen this happen more times than I can count. Someone buys a combo for a trout trip and spends the first day or two frustrated before giving up.
A backup spin rig isn't a bad idea, but I guess I don't understand people who can't delay success while they learn a craft. Not saying this is your perspective, but I've heard people talk about getting super frustrated by not catching trout on their first outing.
There is a good bit more to fly fishing than catching fish, and people looking to get into it should recognize that from the outset. He'll be out west on classic trout rivers I presume and surrounded by nice scenery while trying to pick up a new skill. If that can't keep him pretty occupied and happy while he fails at catching trout, then fly fishing may not be a natural fit.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:36 am to Pettifogger
fly fishing for dummies is actually a good read on the subject
don't let the line bow and get down stream of the fly. It will sag and pull the fly faster than the water is flowing and across the flow also and no self respecting trout is gonna bite that.
bring lots of tippet
check tippet often as it so thin even small nicks will cause break offs
A net is essential
a wading belt or suspender style vest is preferred by many now over the traditional large fly fisherman's vest.
learn how to roll cast
don't let the line bow and get down stream of the fly. It will sag and pull the fly faster than the water is flowing and across the flow also and no self respecting trout is gonna bite that.
bring lots of tippet
check tippet often as it so thin even small nicks will cause break offs
A net is essential
a wading belt or suspender style vest is preferred by many now over the traditional large fly fisherman's vest.
learn how to roll cast
Posted on 5/12/15 at 11:36 am to LSUintheNW
Learned everything I need to know from you tube, from all the casting techniques to tying my own flies. You tube was a great foundation building technique, the rest comes from experience on the water. Every time I go fishing (fly or conventional) I learn something new.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:13 pm to Barf
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I've seen this happen more times than I can count. Someone buys a combo for a trout trip and spends the first day or two frustrated before giving up.
Yep.
To the OP - you have to consider something here. Those blue ribbon trout streams you're going to get absolutely hammered by fly fishermen every day of the year. We're talking guides/professionals and others that have been doing it for decades. This means your casting technique/presentation/fly selection has to be really good. The places you're talking about can have the most subtle of strikes - it's not like fishing for bass and they just hammer the bait. Learning what a strike even looks like can be challenging. I think your best bet is doing the class and getting 1 day with a guide so he can show you, in person, some good technique.
I started out fly fishing in the waters you're going to and for months I refused to get a guide and wanted to learn it on my own. I hardly ever caught anything - finally just went with one on the S. Platte river and it changed everything. I told him from the first minute I couldn't care less about landing trophy fish but just wanted to learn as much as possible. I ended up doing both and only regret I didn't do it sooner.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:32 pm to AubieALUMdvm
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I started out fly fishing in the waters you're going to and for months I refused to get a guide and wanted to learn it on my own. I hardly ever caught anything - finally just went with one on the S. Platte river and it changed everything. I told him from the first minute I couldn't care less about landing trophy fish but just wanted to learn as much as possible. I ended up doing both and only regret I didn't do it sooner.
I grew up fly fishing on lakes for bluegills and bass and was a pretty good caster. I'd never fly fished for trout until I moved to Colorado. I spent a year getting skunked out there before I went with someone who knew what the hell they were doing. I then became a much better fisherman.
Anyway, you're going to probably want to nymph if you want to be productive while you're out there. Unless you stumble into some massive hatch and happen to match it properly, you're going to be SOL as far as dryfly fishing.
So, watch some videos on mending your line. You really can't practice it, though, unless you're on a body of moving water. You need to understand the theory at least, though. You'll need to get some strike indicators as well. Palsa indicators are easy to use, but I prefer yarn indicators, personally. You'll want some weight, most likely as well. You can get putty or split shot. I'd recommend some generic western stream flies (PT nymph, gold ribbed hare's ear, copper john), but you're probably best off just going to a fly shop near wherever you're fishing and asking them what flies to use. Also ask them if there are any hatches going off, what time they're happening, and what flies you should use when the hatch happens.
Hopefully that helps some.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:36 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Thanks for all the help guys. Like I said I kind of fell into the trip at the last minute. Right now all I know is that we're flying into Denver on Saturday and heading to Colorado springs, then over the course of the rest of the week we'll be headed west and looping back around the rest of the state then flying back on the 23rd. I've been hiking before and really enjoy it, plus this a great opportunity to catch up with college friends I haven't seen since they graduated. I'm not too worried about going over there and catching all the fish, but more along the lines of getting my bearings for future trips.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:41 pm to ZacharyTiger17
Let me know how you like the encounter. I have been thinking about picking one up as I'm just getting into trout fishing.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:50 pm to hogfly
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So, watch some videos on mending your line. You really can't practice it, though, unless you're on a body of moving water. You need to understand the theory at least, though. You'll need to get some strike indicators as well. Palsa indicators are easy to use, but I prefer yarn indicators, personally. You'll want some weight, most likely as well. You can get putty or split shot. I'd recommend some generic western stream flies (PT nymph, gold ribbed hare's ear, copper john), but you're probably best off just going to a fly shop near wherever you're fishing and asking them what flies to use. Also ask them if there are any hatches going off, what time they're happening, and what flies you should use when the hatch happens.
This is good advice and I really should have offered more help on equipment. I read my post and it does seem a little gloomy.
In general most of the action is lower in the water column so get those flies down with some weight. I know it's sexy to get dry fly action but most of the time fish are eating stuff under the water. I personally do not like yarn indicators if I'm using one at all (you should use one) but some definitely do. Thingamabobbers, sticky palsas, or a big fat hopper fly with some foam on it can all be good indicators. Remember - even a very subtle drop of your indicator below the surface can mean a strike. Really big fish and small ones can do this so you have to pay attention.
100% spot on with mending line - if there's any clarity to the water and you don't have the right drift the nymph will not look natural as it flows through the water and they will ignore it. A big downstream loop in your line (unmended) will do this every time. This is even more important on heavily fished streams. I can usually be a little more lazy with that when it's not as clear. I fished the catskills this weekend (see post I made yesterday) and the water was gin clear - I'd cast at the same fish 10 times and only got him when the drift was just right if I got him at all.
Advice on casting - do not go all Brad pitt with tons of line out like you're in A River Runs Through It. Try to fish with as little fly line in the water as possible to decrease unnatural flow and increase your sensitivity. Casting all the way across the stream with different flow seams between you and your target is very tough so maintain a low profile (not uncommon for me to fish crouched down) and try to hit sections that are closer to you. Remember the fish are always facing upstream so keep that in mind as you approach an area where you think they might be. They will see you and spook.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:52 pm to sloopy
You could get a dowel and put a loop on the end and get some yarn to use as line to play around inside and get some basic casting motions down. It slows down the timing so you can start seeing what needs to be done at a faster pace.
Great advice on mending and placement in this thread.
Beginning trip will be frustrating, hopefully the people you are going with will take some time with you if they are knowledgable. It's a fun hobby if you put the practice in to learn.
Great advice on mending and placement in this thread.
Beginning trip will be frustrating, hopefully the people you are going with will take some time with you if they are knowledgable. It's a fun hobby if you put the practice in to learn.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:48 pm to ZacharyTiger17
Keep your wrist straight. The natural motion is to break your wrist on the back cast. Don't do it. Stop your back cast with the rod straight up. Then wait on the line to straighten out before you begin your forward cast.
If you can learn those two first you will have most peoples biggest hurdles beat.
If you can learn those two first you will have most peoples biggest hurdles beat.
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