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Anyone here raise hogs? Costs?

Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18492 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:57 pm
Anyone here raise hogs form weaners and sell them at a stockyard? What are the costs (not counting building, other infrastructure, etc.) to produce a sellable hog? How much do they typically sell for when complete (weight and price/lb)?
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:05 pm to
Meat hogs sell for less than a dollar a pound. I don't know when the ideal time to bring them to sale would be but Id guess around 150-300 lbs.

Takes me about 5-6 month to get one from a weanling to that weight but that's also on very expensive, high protein feed.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17316 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:11 pm to
Like most things it takes scale to realize a profit. I know a few people who have grown out both hogs and broiler chickens and they hardly break even.

Off topic, but it's amazing how quickly a feral hog will revert back to being tame in a pen.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21917 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:27 pm to
Hogs depend on what you feed them. If you can get in with someone in the produce department at a grocery store to give you all of the old produce and a bread store to give you all the old bread you will come out ahead.

quote:

broiler chickens


My nephew does broiler hens for 4H, Raises 100 birds a year. By the time they go from chicks to the freezer he has about $14 in each chicken.
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18492 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:37 pm to
Thanks for the input. A friend and I were talking about the feasibility of raising hogs as a hobby and what it would it take to break even by raising a few (say 6), keeping one for yourself and selling the rest at a stockyard. Would be under the assumption that feed would be purchased (no sweetheart deals like noted above).

What would these typical costs be:
Purchase price
Feed/lb gained
Vet/other
Bedding/other consumables

Would it be possible to come out at $0 for this type of operation?
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:00 pm to
You may be able to off set cost of you sold 5 at 265lbs at market price which you can assume will be .75/lb

You can get just the basic hog ration feed that's only about 10-12% protein for about $10 a sack.

Dikes makes a good one that's high in fat but it's more of a finisher feed for $20 for 100lb.

One key it to have a feeding system where no feed is wasted. Even feeding straight corn you're still looking at a 50/lb a week per head. Also pigs need a lot of water. They won't eat if they don't have good water and plenty of it. May put your water bill up 15/20 dollars a month but that's gotta factor into cost.

For housing I reccomend a slab and very small pen. If they are moving around, they could be burning off weight. If you're gonna do a free range type enclosure in a pasture fence is very important. have to anchor your fence good. If you do a slab you'll need shavings. Find a saw mill or cabinet maker etc and they may let you bag your own.

Home grown pork is light years better than store bought. But it's never free. You can buy a feeder pig that's 30 lbs for $40/50 dollars.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7625 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:32 pm to
I sponsor a pig every year for students who want to show but cant afford the cost. I pay $475 ($225 for the pig and $250 for food)to the FFA chapter at my school. The student takes care of it and after showing season is over, the hogs are taken to slaughter & processed. I pay $45 dollars for a halved hog that gets smoked and turned into a fundraiser to recoupe some of my investment. I don't know if any of that is helpful, but maybe you got something out of it.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

225 for pig and 250 for food


That's actually cheap for 4-H / FFA pigs. We usually pay 350-450 for the weanling and usually end up with 600-700 in total in the pig after show season. I consistently lose 200-300 on my kids projects. That's why we skipped it this year.

Same breeder will sell $50 meat hogs from the same litter as ones that sold for 8-900 dollars at auction
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18752 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:03 pm to
The market price per pound for hogs today (59 cents) is in the same ballpark as in the 1970s. But feed, land, fuel, etc. related to raising them has gone up by multiples.

There used to local farmers who raised hogs for profit, but those days are gone. It's all about economies of scale with huge factory farms, much like the poultry business.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:08 pm to
Well I know nothing about pigs. But enough about the Ag industry to think it costs a lot to feed them and they don't cost much when you sell them
Posted by DownSouthDave
Beau, Bro, Baw
Member since Jan 2013
7368 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

Same breeder will sell $50 meat hogs from the same litter as ones that sold for 8-900 dollars at auction


What's the difference?
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10379 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:38 pm to

You are dealing with two primary variables: Value of Gain and Cost of Gain. Let me show you how to determine each one.

1) Value of Gain: You start with a #45 Feeder Pig. He costs you 80c per pound ($36). You add #200 to him and sell him when he's #245. And that selling price is 60c per pound ($147). So you have picked up $111 for adding #200 of weight. That is a value of 55c per pound. That is your Value of Gain. (55)

2) Cost of Gain: Forget all the overhead costs, because this is just for fun. Depreciation, insurance, water, electricity, labor, repairs on the pen, diesel, etc. Throw those out the window because they will just make you depressed. Focus on you Feed Conversion Cost.

A hog will consume about 2.5 pounds of 15% protein feed for every pound of meat he puts on. Which is a remarkable conversion ratio (It is double or triple that for cows). So, for round numbers let's say feed is $350 per ton. That is 17.5c per pound. Multiply that by 2.5 and you get 43.75c.

So in this hypothetical you are making a Gross Profit of about 55 minus 43.75 x #200 pounds of gain per animal. That is $22.50 per pig.

But of course there are lots of other expenses. And you can't always sell your pigs for 60c. etc etc.

Right now the biggest asset that pig farmers have is that China has stopped buying US DDGS (byproduct of ehtanol production) because of bullshite GMO issues. (read Trade War). So, the price has dropped to about $120 per ton when bought in bulk. Thats down from $250 a couple of years ago. DDGS are 28% protein. So they are great hog feed. And cheap when you consider that my hypothetical above had swine feed at $350 per ton.

My guess would be that if you had a bit of pasture where the hogs could graze, and somewhere they could forage for acorns. And you supplemented with bulk DDGS. And you could find a niche market for "free range pigs" at about 90c or so per pound, then it might be a fun supplemental hobby.

But those are a lot of Ifs.....
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
56010 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

I sponsor a pig every year for students who want to show but cant afford the cost. I pay $475 ($225 for the pig and $250 for food)to the FFA chapter at my school.


that is actually pretty damn cool...I didn't know such a program existed, but I would support that if I could find such a program locally.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8039 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:03 pm to
Contact your local LSU AgCenter office and see if they do a parish livestock show/sale. They're always looking for potential buyers, most of the show/sales all fall in January. You'll get some quaility home grown meat and help out a kid involved in a great program as well.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 9:04 pm
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5559 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:08 pm to
Don't know if it helps but I just bought a whole pig for $250.

I think it was 286 lbs.

Which reminds me, anyone have pork chop/pork steak recipes?
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10379 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

I think it was 286 lbs.

On the hoof weight, or is that dressed weight?
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

What's the difference?


Everyone already has their 4-H and FFA projects signed up and these were the ones the breeders had left. Mostly barrows
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:05 pm to
We have a sale every year with about 30-40 pigs sold that were 4-H projects.

Our club also sponsors a kid whose family can't afford for them to do the project or doesn't have a place to keep one.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5559 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 6:19 am to
Dressed I believe.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8039 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 7:09 am to
Same with our parish, probably 30-40 pigs sold last time I was around a few years ago. Lambs, goats, and steers too.
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