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re: another burglary thread...Sig P239 GONE! ***Update ! Recovered ***
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:23 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:23 am to WildTchoupitoulas
please tell me how you secure your guns. aside from a safe, because I have seen safes stolen. do you hide them around your house? how many guns do you own?
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:24 am to Clyde Tipton
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Why are you blaming the gun
Don't give me that shite, I'm not blaming the gun, I'm blaming the irresponsible gun owner. Read my statement again:
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if one of my firearms is used to commit a crime, I am partially at fault for that crime
Does that look like I'm blaming the gun, or taking responsibility myself?
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the criminal could not acquire a gun by any other means
Many firearms used in the commission of crimes were stolen from law-abiding gun owners. If law abiding gun owners secured their shite, criminals would have less access to guns with which to commit crimes. This isn't rocket science.
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If a bad guy wants a gun, he'll get it.
Not from ME he won't. That's my point.
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What if the criminal got frustrated because he could not get his hands on the gun so he grabs a baseball bat out of the garage and proceeds to beat some one's head in? Secure all bats!!!
Okay, I'll just go ahead and chalk you up as a child. Hopefully you'll learn what it means to actually be responsible.
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C'mon, man.
Indeed.
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I'm just not going to blame you for second hand, unintentional, thrice removed, support of murder.
I never said I would blame the OP, what I said was I would feel guilty MYSELF if one of my guns were used in a murder. Therefore I secure my shite, NO EXCUSES - NONE. That is the definition of responsibility.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:25 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Is locked in a vehicle not secure?
You keep making these grand leaps that totally skip over the idea that maybe the doors were locked and the perp broke the window of the vehicle earning another charge for destruction of property.
That's far fetched, but so is the idea that the gun owner is responsible for another human beings actions just because they have both been in contact with the same inanimate object. I just don't buy that idea.
You keep making these grand leaps that totally skip over the idea that maybe the doors were locked and the perp broke the window of the vehicle earning another charge for destruction of property.
That's far fetched, but so is the idea that the gun owner is responsible for another human beings actions just because they have both been in contact with the same inanimate object. I just don't buy that idea.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:28 am to Pepperidge
Not trying to cut you down, but hopefully you learned a lesson. Don't leave your gun in the truck overnight. They get stolen all of the time.
It is like you walking directly at someone who is swinging a baseball bat. You are bound to get hit. Might as well try and prevent it as much as you can
It is like you walking directly at someone who is swinging a baseball bat. You are bound to get hit. Might as well try and prevent it as much as you can
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:28 am to Pepperidge
I'm not gonna blame you for the future happenings of your gun........ but why in the world would you leave your gun in your truck overnight?? That is asking for trouble. 
Same thing happened to my nephew in Mandeville a couple years ago. I told him the same thing.
Sorry for your loss, I hate a thief!!!!
Same thing happened to my nephew in Mandeville a couple years ago. I told him the same thing.
Sorry for your loss, I hate a thief!!!!
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:29 am to Bleeding purple
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This seems to imply they are hidden not locked up
Invalid assumption. They are both hidden AND locked up - or on my person.
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I don't leave my guns in my vehicle because it is easier to break into a vehicle undetected and steal the gun than it is to break into my house.
Same here. I NEVER leave a gun in my vehicle unattended.
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IMHO any person who has a firearm stolen should be concerned about the future life of that firearm. We should all do our best to keep them out of the wrong hands.
You have expressed my thoughts better than I.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:31 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Okay, I'll just go ahead and chalk you up as a child.
So now you are insulting me for making a point when you have no counter point? I think the child is in your own mirror my friend.
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Hopefully you'll learn what it means to actually be responsible.
I have a safe in my home.
Again, I am simply stating my position against your liberal views to blame gun owners for the actions of others just because they have both been in contact with the same inanimate object. The gun owner didn't make the bad guy pull the trigger. How do you not understand this?
ETA: We all agree the gun should be locked up and not left in the vehicle. But to place blame on the owner is a slippery slope that plays right into the gun control crowds hands.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:32 am to POONHOUND
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please tell me how you secure your guns. aside from a safe, because I have seen safes stolen. do you hide them around your house? how many guns do you own?
A part of my responsibility of being a gun owner is not to discuss the answers to your questions - with ANYBODY.
First rule of fight club...
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:34 am to Clyde Tipton
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Is locked in a vehicle not secure?
I don't consider it secured. But then I'm from New Orleans with one of the highest rates of auto theft. They could steal the whole vehicle, gun and all.
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That's far fetched, but so is the idea that the gun owner is responsible for another human beings actions just because they have both been in contact with the same inanimate object. I just don't buy that idea.
I'm not talking about legal responsibility, I'm talking about how I would feel if I found out one of my guns was used to commit a crime - personal responsibility. I know I would feel like shite if I found that out, so I do what I can to make sure it doesn't happen.
No ifs, ands, buts, excuses, reasons, leeway, mitigating factors, rationalizations. I and I alone am responsible for my firearms at all times. Should the day comes when I find out I can't be, I will get rid of them in a responsible manner.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:35 am to Clyde Tipton
quote:Not really. Doesn't take much to bust a window. I never leave anything of value locked in my truck.
Is locked in a vehicle not secure?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:38 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Invalid assumption. They are both hidden AND locked up - or on my person
So what kind of safe(s) do you have that are hidden and yet still secure.
There are some that I would agree fit both definitions but the list is very limited.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:39 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I don't leave weapons in my vehicle, but I consider locked doors on a truck secure. The start of the chain of events is when the bad guy gains access to your property without your permission. What happens after that is out of the gun owners hands.
Should they do more to secure the weapon, yes. Are they responsible for the actions of others, no.
Should they do more to secure the weapon, yes. Are they responsible for the actions of others, no.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:41 am to WildTchoupitoulas
And I hate to harp on the baseball bat/child debate, but please enlighten us on your views to the following scenario...
Is the bat owner responsible?
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What if the criminal got frustrated because he could not get his hands on the gun so he grabs a baseball bat out of the garage and proceeds to beat some one's head in?
Is the bat owner responsible?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:44 am to Pepperidge
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Regal Park Estates off Airport Rd.
Across from Bradford Place
You wouldn't happen to know MS that used to do side weekend work for ya? If you are who I think.
Ever hunt the patch of woods off the service rd by the pond? Before they cleared it I bow hunted back there. Shot a doe and tracked her to the fence. Must have crossed back into Camp Villere. Killed and recoverd a doe and then gave up bow hunting.
Would sit in my climber and watch the traffic come and go to academy.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:45 am to Clyde Tipton
quote:Guns are exponentially more dangerous than bats. The comparison is a bit ridiculous.
Is the bat owner responsible?
You wouldn't feel a bit of guilt if you were lackadaisical with your gun ownership, that gun got stolen and someone was injured with it?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:48 am to Clyde Tipton
So now you are insulting me for making a point
No, I am insulting you for this ridiculous statement:
[BTW, my bats are secured as well.
]
I grew up in a rough neighborhood, I understand how to secure my shite from thieves.
Again, you seem to not understand what PERSONAL responsibility is. I am not blaming gun owners, I would blame MYSELF if one of my guns was used to commit a crime. That is, I would take personal responsibility.
To not take FULL responsibility for one's firearms plays into the hands of those who would limit our 2nd Amend. rights. If we can't control our own guns, the government will do it for us.
Don't give me this "liberal" crap because I am expressing what personal responsibility means.
No, I am insulting you for this ridiculous statement:
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What if the criminal got frustrated because he could not get his hands on the gun so he grabs a baseball bat out of the garage and proceeds to beat some one's head in? Secure all bats!!!
[BTW, my bats are secured as well.
] I grew up in a rough neighborhood, I understand how to secure my shite from thieves.
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my position against your liberal views to blame gun owners for the actions
Again, you seem to not understand what PERSONAL responsibility is. I am not blaming gun owners, I would blame MYSELF if one of my guns was used to commit a crime. That is, I would take personal responsibility.
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But to place blame on the owner is a slippery slope that plays right into the gun control crowds hands.
To not take FULL responsibility for one's firearms plays into the hands of those who would limit our 2nd Amend. rights. If we can't control our own guns, the government will do it for us.
Don't give me this "liberal" crap because I am expressing what personal responsibility means.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Bats kill more people than guns. Fact. Look that statistic up on FBI website if you want to.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:49 am to Clyde Tipton
His reasoning will be the same reasoning you use when deciding to not put baseball bats in your safe.
Inanimate objects do not do harm or kill people. However, it is clear some have more potential to be used to cause harm than others.
For instance no one here carries a 22 short for a ccw (at least I hope they don't). they opt instead for firearms with more potential to cause damage.
potential to cause damage : loaded firearm> baseball bat.
The criminal that steals the gun is responsible for the damage he has done.
The responsible gun owner is duty bound to do his best to prevent that potentially harmful weapon from being used that way.
Inanimate objects do not do harm or kill people. However, it is clear some have more potential to be used to cause harm than others.
For instance no one here carries a 22 short for a ccw (at least I hope they don't). they opt instead for firearms with more potential to cause damage.
potential to cause damage : loaded firearm> baseball bat.
The criminal that steals the gun is responsible for the damage he has done.
The responsible gun owner is duty bound to do his best to prevent that potentially harmful weapon from being used that way.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:50 am to bigbrig725
Well yeah. Vampires are out of control these days.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:50 am to boom roasted
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Guns are exponentially more dangerous than bats.
Really. I find guns safe actually with a little education as to the operation of the weapon.
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You wouldn't feel a bit of guilt if you were lackadaisical with your gun ownership, that gun got stolen and someone was injured with it?
I would feel guilty for not securing my property, and losing it as a result. Once my property was in the possession of another individual, I have no control over what they decide to do.
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