re: Ammo, politics, and stocking up

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They said the same shite about Obama, and now 8 years later, and at least two ammo buying panics later, the only thing that's changed is now we can take loaded firearms into national parks.

Is that why we were panic buying? Because the President said we can take guns into national parks?

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The reason you can take guns into National Parks isn't because Obama said, "Ah, I was just funnin' with you, bring in whatever you want." It took a lot of hard work by people dedicated to preserving the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment, and we won this time. Under Hillary, if she gets to stack the court, you can bet we won't be so lucky.

And she will use whatever EO powers she can to harass and intimidate gun owners, FFLs and manufacturers. She is much more of a true believer in big government than even Obama. Why do you think she has lusted after the Presidency all these years? When I say she is as power-hungry as Hitler, I'm not joking.

She uses phrases such as "gun show loophole" and everyone believes that there is such a thing. There isn't. All dealers at gun shows are required to do background checks on buyers, whether the gun is new or used. But just like on any street in America, there are sales between private sellers at gun shows, and those are not subject to background checks. Rightly so, in my opinion.

Liberals are also fond of saying that if guns were regulated like cars, etc, we wouldn't have much crime. What a bunch of unadulterated crap. There is no item anywhere in the US regulated more than the sale of guns. If you don't believe me, ask any FFL who's been tripped up by BATF and its ever-changing rules and regulations.

Like any normal, reasoning adult, I tend to believe a politician when they say they want to restrict my rights. They may not actually be able to do it, but then again, they just might and I believe it is in my best interest to take them at their word and work against them. In Hillary's case, nothing she says or does seems to stick against her. And that is not because these things aren't true, but rather because the media protects her. You need to sit back and imagine what it will be like having a leader who gets no criticism for what she does. The prospect is beyond scary.

The problem with most politicians is that their answer to a problem is to punish the people who don't actually cause the problem. Why should I, as a law-abiding gun owner, be punished for something I didn't do? Why should my rights be restricted? Restrict the rights of those who cause the problems, ie, criminals.

Gun bans, registration, and background checks only affect the law-abiding. Criminals, by definition, don't obey laws and it has been proven over and over that these things don't work. They are a waste of time and taxpayer money.

I'll stop now, but I could go on and on.

Some of these responses seem a little asinine, or at least thoughtless.

"don't buy all your ammo at one time". Ummm, what exactly are you suggesting with this? Don't buy up everything you see at the local Walmart, so you have some and nobody else does? Ok, I'm fine with that.

But- I can buy a case of pistol ammo (9mm, .45 acp, etc) online, and I have a cheaper price per box than I do if I stop at the nearest store. If I shoot around 50 rds per range session, I now have covered 10 trips to the range, without having to figure in that stop at the store for ammo. Note- I'm bringing my son, so that's 2 range fees, or basically $30 right off the bat, before the cost of ammo. Figure $10 per 50 rds 9mm, more for .45. It gets pricey, and there's no easy way around it... if I'm paying $30+ to begin with, I want to make sure I have enough in the bag to shoot my fill. I'm not dropping that to test out 5-10 rounds.

Also- other, rifle ammo. One of our guns shoots 7.65 x 53 Argentine. Someone price that locally... tell me if you find it, where it is, and how much a box of 20 costs. I'm in BR, I've seen it in Jims, for "a lot". Now, it also comes in and out of stock at online sites, and when it's in, I can get PPU for $15 or so a box. That's about half the price I find in stores, and about the same I find 30-30 at Walmart. Caveat- there's shipping involved, usu around the price of 1 box, give or take. So if I buy 10 boxes, that usu comes out to, say, 16 or 17 a box... still way less than what I would pay locally. And again, I'm then set for a number of sessions, not just a single trip. Also, since I've owned this rifle, I've noted that the online availability comes and goes, perhaps seasonally (maybe PPU does runs for deer season). Ok, by getting it in quantity when I can, I'm fine to continue shooting it when there's none available, as I've planned ahead.
Another is 8mm Mauser; haven't been able to price it locally yet (just inherited the rifle). Haven't seen any in stock nearby. Online is pretty tight, too, but I have found some.
Yet another is a Mosin Nagant. Locally, all I see is new brass ammo, at about the same cost as the Argentine rds. Haven't seen any surplus, but there are still supplies online. That's gone up in price, but is still way under what you'd pay for brass, and it goes bang.

If I buy a box at a time, it will cost me a lot more in the long run, and I may not be able to find any.

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If elected Hillary will move with quickness to get rid of high capacity magazines Andy probably "assault rifles"

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I could see both happening, or at least being attempted.

The other thing I worry about is internet sales of firearms and ammo. It seems like an easy target, one the general public won't see the harm in. If you want to buy something, go to the store, and buy it; support your local community, etc. Wouldn't be hard to market that.

Fine, except for a few things: I already mentioned the problems I've had trying to find cheap ammo in various calibers. I'll be damned if I spend over $30 for 20 rds of Mauser ammo, Argentine or otherwise. That's ok for a hunter who might shoot it that much (if that) a season; but going to the range, I don't need "the best". I'd just like to shoot some cheap surplus or plinking rounds... and they do exist.

Same for some of the surplussed firearms. You can look up CDIsales on gunbroker, and go to town with used CZ's, 3rd Gen S&Ws, etc. Used, but these guns are built to last, and they run for around $300 most of the time. Here? If you find one, expect another hundred, at least. Basically, not everyone has a J&G Sales or AIM Surplus within driving distance.

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Otherwise the government could tax ammo to the point it was no longer affordable for pleasure shooting.

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This is also a possibility, but I think more than anything they will continue to try to hold manufacturers responsible for misuse of their product.

The thing is, they absolutely will not stop trying, no matter what. It will take unending vigilance to keep them at bay.

People on this board truly believe nothing will happen if Clinton gets in office? She's already said as much and she's one determined witch.

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People on this board truly believe nothing will happen if Clinton gets in office? She's already said as much and she's one determined witch.

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It's not that they don't believe, it's that they don't care. If it's not a class of gun they own, they could care less. It's why right now we'll hear that nobody is going to pass any gun bans or restrictions and when one does pass, those same people will tell us we didn't need those guns.

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Wild Tchoup

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So there's this guy standing outside your front door and says he's gonna break it down and sex up your wife. He's pounded on the door 3 or 4 times already, but it hasn't given way yet.

You plan on staying on the shitter reading your newspaper for the next hour while he continues?

It would be one thing if Hillary wasn't making statements that she wants to go after the second amendment. There is a thread that just got started with her stating this much.

This is not "fear mongering".