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re: amazing bow kill

Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:33 am to
Posted by tenfoe
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:33 am to
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So would you let him shoot at a doe with a person standing next to it not expecting any pass through?


You are better than this analogy. That sounds like something Jane Fonda or Joe Biden would say.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:08 am to
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So would you let him shoot at a doe with a person standing next to it not expecting any pass through?


See my first post. I wouldn't take that shot.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:14 am to
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Well that's like, your opinion, man.
I don't think this is an opinion situation. It's an unethical shot plain and simple Reasonable minds cannot differ.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:14 am to
Pretty amazing that the kids arrow passed through the first deer at all since i can't imagine the kid having a draw weight over 30-35 lbs.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:16 am to
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draw weight over 30-35 lbs.


I believe in the video comments his father posted 40 or 45 lb. draw weight.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:17 am to
Properly tuned with a sharp set of blades - it don't take much. Especially the properly tuned part. I can watch my arrow sink deeper and deeper into my block as I get the tuning finer.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:17 am to
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I don't think this is an opinion situation. It's an unethical shot plain and simple Reasonable minds cannot differ.


Posted by Judge Smails
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:18 am to
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it don't take much


Uncle Ted's draw weight is 48 lbs. on one of his bows that he hunts with regularly on SOTW... but that's a topic for another thread.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:38 am to
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Uncle Ted's draw weight is 48 lbs. on one of his bows that he hunts with regularly on SOTW... but that's a topic for another thread.

That thread is coming soon. Looking like shoulder surgery soon. That chick bow from Mathews is looking better and better all the time.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:40 am to
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Looking like shoulder surgery soon.


That's no bueno. Do you dare enter crossbow territory?
Posted by braindeadboxer
Utopia
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:19 am to
I'm happy as hell for the kid. I'm sure his dad is proud. An although I dislike the shot and think the dad should have taught the kid to be patient for a better shot, I can't really fault him. I know in my excitement I've taken some shots that I regretted immediately after pulling the trigger. You live and you learn, and I hope the kid learns from it and doesn't do it again. Excitement makes us do stuff that we know better than to do sometimes, but we hunt for that pleasure and excitement. The day I no longer feel that rush and excitement, I'll put my gun and bow up for good. At that point its killing just for the sake of killing and no longer a sport.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:20 am to
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Do you dare enter crossbow territory?

Do I try meth first or after I get it?

Would probably buy a mouth release before a crossgun.
Posted by MapGuy
I was born,I grew older,I'm here
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:23 am to
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Dad needs to teach the boy to wait for an ethical shot.

i agree 100%..

he was more worried about the camera shot than the deer getting wounded.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6842 posts
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:24 am to
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It's an unethical shot plain and simple Reasonable minds cannot differ


I agree a grown man shouldn't do it. A kid shouldn't do it either, but I'm not faulting the father or the boy for it. It happened, hopefully they learned something from it.
This post was edited on 9/13/13 at 10:26 am
Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:29 am to
quote:

Dad needs to teach the boy to wait for an ethical shot.
this

the only deer I have killed with a bow came in a situation like this. 3 does pretty much lined up right with my shot. I waited until one was clear and nailed my 38 yard shot

Posted by Judge Smails
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:29 am to
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I agree a grown man shouldn't do it. A kid shouldn't do it either, but I'm not faulting the father or the boy for it. It happened, hopefully they learned something from it.


I can get behind this. It's not my place to judge them, I just wouldn't do it.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81608 posts
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:30 am to
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but I'm not faulting the father
Well, see, I am because that was a perfect teaching moment wasted. those does would have prevented a good shot soon enough, and if not, great way to teach when not to shoot.
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It happened, hopefully they learned something from it.

To me, it was the worst possible outcome. They recovered both deer. Says to the kid, "See this is ok."
Posted by MapGuy
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:31 am to
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To me, it was the worst possible outcome. They recovered both deer. Says to the kid, "See this is ok."

i was about to post something similar.

that is a great point.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6842 posts
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:40 am to
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Says to the kid, "See this is ok."


We don't know the whole context. The boy may have been upset all night about it and the father was just trying to keep his spirit from being broken.

In my opinion, we all have a limited time to spend with our children before they are grown. Sure, ethical decisions are something they need to learn, but beating up on a kid because of something like this would not be the way I would have approached it.

quote:

great way to teach when not to shoot


The kid may have drawn back on 4 deer that year, spooking them or missing. We don't know. Yes the deer were bunched up, but to say the father knew the boy would shoot 2 deer in one shot would be a stretch.

I said I wasn't faulting the father for the way he handled it. I think we can agree the father should have taught the boy not to shoot one like that, but to say none of us have made a mistake during the excitement of a hunt would be a stretch.

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To me, it was the worst possible outcome


I can think of 1,000 different outcomes that I would consider worse than this.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81608 posts
Posted on 9/13/13 at 1:37 pm to
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Sure, ethical decisions are something they need to learn, but beating up on a kid because of something like this would not be the way I would have approached it.
Me neither. Dad was there. He should have stopped the shot.

quote:

The kid may have drawn back on 4 deer that year, spooking them or missing. We don't know.
True, but that matters not here.

quote:

Yes the deer were bunched up, but to say the father knew the boy would shoot 2 deer in one shot would be a stretch.
That's the whole point. You can't know. You do know what's possible. That wasn't a close call. The deer were right on one another. No way you make a great shot on #1 with at least a great chance of hitting #2.

I generally just don't agree with the rest.

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