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Adding crawfish to supplement a pond

Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:38 am
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:38 am
Have about a 1 acre pond that was built in the 40s. There hasn’t been a fish caught in it since the 80s. I got access to pond (family land) about 15 years ago, middle of the woods. I haven’t seen a fish jump or movement at all, even put out feed twice and nothing came up.

Supposed it had bass in it decades ago, pond at deepest is only 7ft, has plenty of cover, trees fallen in, etc. My plan was to stick with minnows this spring, wait til fall and add hybrid bluegill, and next spring add bass.

My uncle who doesn’t fish had different plans I added 4lbs of fathead minnows this past March. In June he decided after hearing me talk about stocking it to add minnows, hybrid bluegills, bass, and black perch. I went ahead and put another 4lbs of minnows in.

I am thinking about adding crawfish this next spring to supplement the fish and more minnows and maybe some red ears. There is definitely a lot of fish movement now that I’ve never seen before. Would I just be wasting money adding crawfish? Would they mess the levee up? Online some people were against having too many for the levees sake. TIA

Also is it very expensive to deepen a pond? I’d like to maybe try and get it at least 3-4ft deeper. And pond is not fertilized but I plan on doing that this next spring once I learn about it

This is in central La fwiw
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 9:39 am
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:47 am to
Fwiw I was going to wait till next summer to start catching out some bream and perch and give the bass 2 years before I keep them. I plan on keeping a shite ton of bream and black perch as those are my favorite eating, well white perch is, I guess they taste the same?
Posted by commode
North Shore
Member since Dec 2012
1146 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:59 am to
If you can get a small boat to the spot in the woods I would recommend a pond survey. They can shock it to see what fish if any are in there, and recommend a strategy. It may be overrun with stunted bass. I understand that if bass are present the crawfish will not last long enough to create an issue on the levee.

Also what is a black perch?
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:00 am to
I wouldn't add crawfish. They're competing for the same food supply as the minnows and other small fish. Can keep supplementing minnows.
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:04 am to
Dunk’s fish farm

Listed as black crappie and supposedly not as aggressive as white perch
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:06 am to
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I wouldn't add crawfish. They're competing for the same food supply as the minnows and other small fish


Good point
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5271 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:47 am to
If you are serious about doing this right the first time, I recommend you read this Managing Mississippi Ponds and Small Lakes and follow the stocking and management recommendations. All southern states have a comparable pond manual and they are all going to provide you the same recommendations - all based on research at Auburn University developed decades ago.

First, avoid stocking hybrid bluegill, they don’t breed true in later generations, stick with copper nose bluegill and redear sunfish (shellcrackers), in a 80:20/70:30 ratio. You can stock them now.

Do not stock black perch, white perch (= crappie/sac-a-lait) at all.

Stock largemouth bass next spring, May or so.

If you want some additional variety you can stock 100 channel catfish fingerlings per acre this winter.

Ideally I’d recommend you drain the pond first to kill any fish population that might in it. I’m assuming this likely not possible, and I’ll just assume from your description there is for all practical purposes no existing fish population in the pond.

Though you can add crawfish and it won’t hurt anything, I don’t think it will of any benefit.

If you, or your uncle, don’t follow tried and true small pond stocking and management recommendations developed by southern Land Grant universities that have been around for 70+ years you are likely going to very disappointed in the results 3 years down the road.

The pond doesn’t need to be any deeper than 7 feet. The deeper the pond the greater the risk of catastrophic kills down the road in late summer/early fall from oxygen depletion.

Again, I can’t emphasize this enough, read the manual, follow the recommendations.
Posted by Houston Texas Tiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2004
1414 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:54 am to
When you add minnows add twice as many as you think you need. When I add them to my pond half get eaten immediately. They don't know where they are and the bass or any aggressive fish eat them immediately. I try to add them in an area different from where I typically feed them to give them a chance. I would recommend stocking bluegill and perch in the fall and bass in the spring. Start with 4-6" bass if you can to give them a better survival rate.

I wouldn't add any crawfish until the bass are sized to eat them. 12" or larger.
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:56 am to
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Again, I can’t emphasize this enough, read the manual, follow the recommendations


Yea we pretty much fricked it up and I wasn’t happy about perch being put in or bass this early. Hybrid bream were what I was recommended. I’ve read coppernosw have to constantly be stocked. I was gonna wait till next spring to stock base but uncle did otherwise. I agree it wasn’t done right. No way to drain pond thou
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:57 am to
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When you add minnows add twice as many as you think you need.


I plan on constantly adding minnows
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81669 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:07 am to
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This is in central La fwiw
I can help you manage the black crappie, for free.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29310 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:39 am to
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Do not stock black perch, white perch (= crappie/sac-a-lait) at all.


I don't think this should be taken as a blanket statement.

We have had success stocking black crappie in our pond. Even though there is some structure in the pond, they either don't reproduce or the bream and bass must eat all the fry. Once we stock them we catch them over the next few years until they are gone. So, every few years we just restock some more.

Every pond is different and every pond will need continual monitoring. We have bass, bream, black crappie and catfish. You have to monitor the populations every year. Not seeing catfish feeding or catching any, add more bass. Not catching any brean or the ones you do are huge + too many small bass then you start keeping all the bass that will bite and maybe supplement the bream population.
Posted by ultralite
Member since Feb 2013
106 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:52 am to
What’s the bottom like with respect to hardness, cleanliness, etc? Being 80 years old, one acre, and in the woods, I would suspect it to be trashed with leaf litter and possibly silted in. It may be overrun with bullhead catfish. Both of those will cause problems with the reproduction of anything you add to it.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38830 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:07 pm to
i can just about promise you that you already have crawfish if its an established pond. no need to add them unless you just want to
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:18 pm to
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What’s the bottom like with respect to hardness, cleanliness, etc?


I honestly don’t even know. It was put there for cows originally and stayed that way until late 70s. After the 70s it became over grown around it. I’ll have to check the bottom
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

We have had success stocking black crappie in our pond. Even though there is some structure in the pond, they either don't reproduce or the bream and bass must eat all the fry. Once we stock them we catch them over the next few years until they are gone. So, every few years we just restock some more


They taste like white perch? I figured I’d have to fish the hell out of them to keep them from overpopulation
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81669 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 1:18 pm to
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They taste like white perch?
I mean, they are white perch, just the black subspecies. That's all there is in both Kincaid and Indian Creek. The only place I catch white crappie in CENLA is Saline.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5271 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 2:07 pm to
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Hybrid bream were what I was recommended.

You weren’t recommended this by a professional fishery biologist that works in small pond/lake management, unless he/she miss understood your management objectives. There is a use for them but not as you described in your objectives for the pond.

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I’ve read coppernosw have to constantly be stocked.

Nothing could further from the truth. You didn’t read this any state agency or land grant university recreational pond management manual. Whoever wrote or stated this clearly didn’t know what they were talking about.

But work the best with what you have, you are on the board asking questions so you are obviously trying to manage the pond correctly. But sounds like with your Uncle doing what he thinks best without any biological basis for his actions you are just going to have to live with the consequences of his actions and hope for the best down the road

But at the end of the day, if in 2 or 3 years you can go catch some fish out the pond and have a good and fun time doing so, then that’s what’s it’s all about.
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 2:13 pm to
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You weren’t recommended this by a professional fishery biologist


Definitely not, just random people mostly.
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Nothing could further from the truth. You didn’t read this any state agency or land grant university recreational pond management manual.


True, mostly online stuff I wonder if I should still put coppernose in there or wait?
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But at the end of the day, if in 2 or 3 years you can go catch some fish out the pond and have a good and fun time doing so, then that’s what’s it’s all about.


Yea that’s all I want, just easy fishing to eat and have fun. I don’t care anything about trophy fish
Posted by Houston Texas Tiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2004
1414 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:41 pm to
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I plan on constantly adding minnows


What I mean by that is when you do add, add 8 pounds every other time instead of 4 pounds at a time. It gives some a chance to survive and last a little longer. You might get some reproduction of minnows if you try this approach.
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