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re: WWII US bomber crew shot down over Japan were dissected while alive
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:58 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:58 pm to Darth_Vader
There is a reason there was so much animosity towards the Japanese after the war. They were BRUTAL. They were cruel and almost inhuman to pow's. We get all freaked out when there is a beheading on the internet by some terrorist scum, the Japanese tortured, mutilated, beheaded, and would willingly die blindly for their emperor. The bomb had to be dropped.
We did a number on their civilians with fire bombings as well.....
We did a number on their civilians with fire bombings as well.....
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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Stain murdered more civilians (mostly Soviet btw) than Hitler ever dreamed of killing.
I have a friend who I've known since kindergarten, and because I have, I put aside the fact that he has a wierd nazi fascination. (Typically a quick way to get punched in the head)
Any time we argue about any of it, he points out two things: the soviets were worse and we allied with em, there would be NO wars in the middle east if the nazi's held the territory.
When you play cost benefit analysis with human lives... You come to some dirty dirty conclusions quite quickly.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:59 pm to BayouBlue386
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keep waiting for the japanese response to their citizens being beheaded.
There is no better country in the world to sick on ISIS.
Nah, they are a bunch of emasculated pussies now.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:59 pm to Moustache
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This. The only mistake made was that they didn't drop another on Tokyo.
do you truly believe wiping out an entire country of people would been the smartest thing to do. Look I totally understood dropping the bomb, it was meant as a deterrent. I'm actually glad we didn't drop a bomb on Tokyo, the death toll would have been exponentially higher than it already was.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:00 pm to Sparkplug#1
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The japs used to eat prisoners, too. Those two bombs civilized them.
This. Sometimes you need your fricking arse kicked to change your ways. Like a bully getting his arse beat.
The bombs turned the Japs into civil members of society instead of fricking animals they were. Wouldn't be a bad idea to try it on the muslims in the middle east. you never know...it might work.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:03 pm to Moustache
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Wouldn't be a bad idea to try it on the muslims in the middle east. you never know...it might work.
Irradiated rocks would turn up EVERYWHERE.
Sad part over there is the people really aren't all that different. Different religions, a little backward, but everyone I've ever known from the middle east was friendly, hospitable, and truth be told reminded me of cajuns/mexicans. You make the best of what ya got.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:05 pm to 68wDoc68w
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I know but the story always stops with hitler, don't get me wrong hitler was a sick dude, but Stalin went ape shite on his people
Exactly.
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Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.
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And that's just one example.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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And that's just one example.
and how bout all the ones he sent to siberia
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:15 pm to 68wDoc68w
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and how bout all the ones he sent to siberia
I think that's actually where the majority of his victims were sent to their deaths. I've seen figures as high as 40-50 million. Of course Mao put them both to shame. I've seen estimates as high as almost 80 million that he killed.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:18 pm to Dr RC
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I don't see that as being any more horrifying than something like the Tuskegee syphilis experiments that we were doing right around the same time.
I, for one, think removing one's esophagus and sewing it directly into the intestines* is worse, but that's just me.
*This is just one wicked thing the Japanese did.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:20 pm to BayouBlue386
Most of the problem ones are illiterate and haven't seen the world outside of jihad. They blindly follow what they are told to do for the reasons that they are told.
You're never gonna meet the sane ones
You're never gonna meet the sane ones
quote:Oddly enough, that is one place that I'd like to visit before I die. It is just cool how it is so desolate and the animals are fricking huge. Definitely wouldn't go during winter though
and how bout all the ones he sent to siberia
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:29 pm to Darth_Vader
Stalin is the most interesting historical figure in the last century IMO. We will never know the exact numebrs, but I've read 1 in 5 Russians were killed during his reign.
20% of his own people!
20% of his own people!
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:43 pm to Darth_Vader
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Of course Mao put them both to shame. I've seen estimates as high as almost 80 million that he killed.
Not to be one-upped, Genghis Khan killed about 11% of the population of the world in his time.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I can perfectly understand why an Old vet today would still hate Japanese people. Unlike Germany, Japanese culture has not accepted that Imperial Japan was evil and barbaric.
The Japanese were far and away worse then the nazis.
Thank about that for a while.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:10 pm to Old Sarge
It is not something I celebrate that we did. But, I appreciate our ability to end the war with those people without actually having to kill a lot more of them, with a proportionally greater loss to our own forces as well.
When people demonize the bomb and its use on a largely civilian population, one only has to return to facts such as the treatment of this crew, other POWs (Bataan, etc.), the citizens of the Phillipines, Korea, Nanking, other parts of China and just a whole bunch of things they did in buying what was coming to them in the first part of August 1945.
Thank G-d for Enrico Fermi and the miracle that was the Manhattan Project.
frick yeah!
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:21 pm to asurob1
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The Japanese were far and away worse then the nazis.
Thank about that for a while.
Not really*. Pretty much everything the Japanese did, the Nazis did as well. The only difference is the Japs did their worst to the Chinese people and American, Brit, /and Australian PWO's while the Germans did their worst to the Soviets, Slavs, and Jews.
If you look at the Japs, Nazis, and Soviets, they pretty much all were as horrible as you could imagine.
*The one Jap atrocity I think could stand out as being above and beyond anything the Nazis or the Soviets ever did is the Rape of Nanking. The only thing close to it from the German side would be the systematic and longtime running murder of Soviet civilians via the Einsatzgruppen or perhaps the way they put down the Warsaw Uprising of 1944. As for Soviet atrocities that could compare, I'd say the closest thing would be the sacking of Prussia and Pomerania.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:41 pm to Choctaw
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seriously? you don't see dissecting people while they're still alive anymore horrifying then purposely giving someone an STD?
Not really no. Untreated syphilis can massively mess a person up to the point they go insane. Not only were they giving it to people and not telling them, they were actively stopping victims from receiving treatment elsewhere. These men often went on to give it to their wives and had children born with it.
I don't really think killing a person slowly over time in the name of science is any worse than doing it faster like the Japanese were.
In both cases people did something that should be classified as evil and a violation of basic human rights. That the people experimented on in the Tuskegee case lived longer than the victims than those that suffered horrific fates in Japan matters not b/c either way those poor souls were treated with absolute contempt.
Let's also not forget that the US was happily snatching up all kinds of scientists who committed atrocities for the Nazis as well.
Sure, you can argue it was all for the greater good but that's how the Nazis and Japanese justified what they were doing as well.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:45 pm to Darth_Vader
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and removed parts of the livers of other prisoners as part of tests to see if they would survive.
Yeah, cause who needs a liver to live.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:47 pm to SEClint
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Yeah, cause who needs a liver to live.
You can actually survive with a fairly significantly diminished liver - most alcoholics, chronic liver disease patients, HCV, etc., do so to a certain degree, anyway.
But, in one of nature's amazing ironies - medical science has advanced to the point where you can survive with no heart, no lungs, no brain, no kidneys, depending on circumstances, but no technology in the world can sustain you if you have no liver.
The more you know!
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:56 pm to Ace Midnight
You never hear any awesome experiment stories.
Like, "these men were captured and were given 5 different beautiful women a night for their entire capture to test the limits of man's primal desires".
Like, "these men were captured and were given 5 different beautiful women a night for their entire capture to test the limits of man's primal desires".
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