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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:58 pm to Red Stick Tigress
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:58 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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If not, wouldn't you have the gun locked so it couldn't accidentally discharge if it were being transported in this manner?
That's not how guns work.
Also, not to say that it wasn't in a case, but if you're carrying a gun for self protection, having it in a case renders it basically worthless. If you ever needed it, you'd be dead looooong before the amount of time it would take to remove it from the case and have it ready to fire.
Again, i have no idea of it was in a case or not, only place I've seen that was this thread. But I doubt a single person who keeps a gun in their car for protection (ie they are not just driving to the range or a gun shop or something) keeps it in a case. It defeats the entire purpose.
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 3:08 am to JohnnyKilroy
I'll admit I've only read a few articles on the trial, but I see people arguing a lot of minutiae here without addressing some obvious questions.
If Hayes feared for his life, why shoot Racquel? He shot her first and no witness, even ONeal, suggests she was anything but a diffuser.
Can Hayes claim Smith to be the aggressor after intentionally ramming Smiths vehicle in retaliation? Is the ramming not an act of violent aggression that sparks the altercation?
If Hayes feared for his life, why shoot Racquel? He shot her first and no witness, even ONeal, suggests she was anything but a diffuser.
Can Hayes claim Smith to be the aggressor after intentionally ramming Smiths vehicle in retaliation? Is the ramming not an act of violent aggression that sparks the altercation?
Posted on 12/9/16 at 5:41 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
ut I see people arguing a lot of minutiae here without addressing some obvious questions.
If Hayes feared for his life, why shoot Racquel? He shot her first and no witness, even ONeal, suggests she was anything but a diffuser.
Can Hayes claim Smith to be the aggressor after intentionally ramming Smiths vehicle in retaliation? Is the ramming not an act of violent aggression that sparks the altercation?
Those questions have been addressed over and over
Posted on 12/9/16 at 6:07 am to tgrbaitn08
Y'all remind me of 12 angry men up in this bitch.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 6:33 am to JohnnyKilroy
I heard described as s case but it sounds more like it was a holster. When the Detective said case he also said which way the barrel was facing.
If it was in a case, which I tend to envision is more like a box, why would the detective describe which way the barrel was facing?
I am guessing that the jury got to see the "case".
If it was in a case, which I tend to envision is more like a box, why would the detective describe which way the barrel was facing?
I am guessing that the jury got to see the "case".
Posted on 12/9/16 at 6:50 am to tigersownall
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Y'all remind me of 12 angry men up in this bitch.
More like 12 Monkeys
Posted on 12/9/16 at 7:15 am to tgrbaitn08
That's racist
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:23 am to Nado Jenkins83
I'm still waiting for the DAs office to present evidence that he is guilty of a second degree murder or a manslaughter charge and I haven't seen it yet based on the witnesses they have rolled up. I'm actually impartial as to whether he is guilty or not guilty (not I did not say innocent) but want the people that we as taxpayers pay to actually do their damn job.
Thus far the NOPD did a really crappy job across the board in this heater of an investigation followed up with a DAs office who rushed for an Grand Jury indictment without getting pretty relevant evidence that at at one time was readily available to them. With the number of officers on the scene you would have expected them to do a better job across the board. It also tells me that if the case is not a "heater" case then the NOPD is going to do very minimal work on pursuing evidence in the matter which is probably why we have such distrust in the community.
I really long for the days when the NOPD homicide unit was run by some of the best detectives in the US but that unit more or less collapsed by the mid-90s as most of the experienced detectives retired or took positions elsewhere.
Thus far the NOPD did a really crappy job across the board in this heater of an investigation followed up with a DAs office who rushed for an Grand Jury indictment without getting pretty relevant evidence that at at one time was readily available to them. With the number of officers on the scene you would have expected them to do a better job across the board. It also tells me that if the case is not a "heater" case then the NOPD is going to do very minimal work on pursuing evidence in the matter which is probably why we have such distrust in the community.
I really long for the days when the NOPD homicide unit was run by some of the best detectives in the US but that unit more or less collapsed by the mid-90s as most of the experienced detectives retired or took positions elsewhere.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:34 am to ihometiger
So far NOPD looks stupid again. It's almost like they don't have or follow a standard protocol for crimes. It's like they say "that's good enough"
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:50 am to ihometiger
Agreed. And it seems like the DA often overcharges in these types of cases.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:56 am to GynoSandberg
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He was supposedly well trained in firearms, therefore I don't imagine 1. he had the safety on the gun if he was carrying and then putting the gun back in the truck,
Why would he not have the safety on? I have to assume I'm misunderstanding you,
If you're well trained with firearms, the safety is on unless you're about to pull the trigger.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:59 am to LNCHBOX
That quote doesn't end there. Copy the whole thing
Think he talking more about the case. Which is still strange to me as well
Why didn't he just have a holster. Should have one for under his steering wheel like I do
Think he talking more about the case. Which is still strange to me as well
Why didn't he just have a holster. Should have one for under his steering wheel like I do
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:03 am to Nado Jenkins83
The rest of the quote is irrelevant to my point. No one well trained with firearms will have the safety off just walking around. Are you really going to argue that?
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:06 am to LNCHBOX
Not at all.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:15 am to LNCHBOX
quote:wrong. Very common technique to walk around cocked and locked. In fact, all law enforcement officers are taught to walk around this way. Known as condition 0
No one well trained with firearms will have the safety off just walking around.
And the lnch is wrong again
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:15 am to lsupride87
Will Smith is in law enforcement. Cool.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:16 am to LNCHBOX
quote:You notice where I said it is a common technique taught to all that are trained in firearms? Including in my CC class?
Will Smith is in law enforcement. Cool.
JUST ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:19 am to lsupride87
quote:
You notice where I said it is a common technique taught to all that are trained in firearms? Including in my CC class?
I actually don't see that anywhere in your post. Maybe you should edit.
quote:
JUST ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG
Right after you show me where anyone is taught to store a weapon with the safety off.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:20 am to lsupride87
LNCH is a lawyer and a gun expert
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:20 am to Red Stick Tigress
The testimony was actually that
Smith had a ccp. The gun was HOLSTERED in a hard plastic case. This is likely a reference to a plastic, or Kydex, holster. Reporters seem to screw up all sorts of seemingly inconsequential details. So, think
and not
The gap in the pic of an MB in the prior post would easily accommodate a a gun in such a holster. It also does not necessarily mean that he always keeps it there., He may have had it in the glove box during FQ Fest and then puts it by the seat while in the car driving.
quote:
the former Saint's gun had its safety on and was holstered in a hard, plastic case, wedged in between the driver's seat and the center console.
Smith had a ccp. The gun was HOLSTERED in a hard plastic case. This is likely a reference to a plastic, or Kydex, holster. Reporters seem to screw up all sorts of seemingly inconsequential details. So, think
and not
The gap in the pic of an MB in the prior post would easily accommodate a a gun in such a holster. It also does not necessarily mean that he always keeps it there., He may have had it in the glove box during FQ Fest and then puts it by the seat while in the car driving.
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