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Why was LSU band director Roy King fired?
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:27 am
LSU's band director was fired after 18 years and was even a tenured employee. What were the actual reason he was fired? Also, what everyone's opinion on the firing?
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:29 am to ash6928
he was german born ....
1st post
1st post
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:29 am to ash6928
Why don't you let me worry about that.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:30 am to ash6928
they gave a few reasons that sounded like some trumped up bullshite (i.e. giving his daughter an internship and misusing company funds)....sounds to me like he got crossed up with someone politically and ended up getting canned.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:32 am to ash6928
Should have utilized your first post sooner.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:42 am to ash6928
Well the band has been getting shittier and shittier. How many times do we need to see Latin flair?
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:47 am to ash6928
Something to do with a skin flute...
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:05 am to ash6928
We don't know exactly what it was since the investigation is still "pending", however, we're all pretty sure what happened.
The school of music does not like the fact that every member of Tiger Band, including the Golden Girls and Flag team, gets stipends paid for by the TAF. Roy, as director of the Concert Band, also has control over some scholarships for music majors to play in Tiger Band.
When Wickes was in power, he was head of both the concert side of the house and the athletic side of the house. When he retired, the school of music refused to hand over control of the concert side to his protege, Linda Morehouse. Since she couldn't have both, she left for the University of Illinois, where she has control over both.
This left Roy as the only man left. They let Roy have control over the Tiger Band and hired outside for people to run the concert side, but Roy still had control of those scholarships.
The school of music has always looked down on the Tiger Band. In many cases, professors purposefully schedule required courses during Tiger Band practice hours to force students to not be in band. They often look down at music majors who associate with that plebeian rabble that is the Tiger Band much like a beer maven scoffs at someone drinking Bud Lite.
As budget cuts have hit the various departments of the University, the School of Music went to Alexander begging to be spared from cuts. Alexander told them to find the money somewhere. Since the Tiger Band is a huge source of donations from alumni and is funded by the TAF, they wanted to find a way to tap into that money. First, they asked Roy to hand over control of the concert band scholarships. He said no. Then, they wanted control over direct donations to the Tiger Band. Roy, of course, said no.
Finally, they demanded all of his email records, placed him under investigation, suspended him, and then trumped up some charges to fire him.
Make no mistake, this is all about the money.
If the school of music hires anyone but the current interim director of bands, Dennis Illnas, they will never see another dime from me, and my brother is a school of music graduate, and I am a former 4-year member of the Tiger Band.
The school of music does not like the fact that every member of Tiger Band, including the Golden Girls and Flag team, gets stipends paid for by the TAF. Roy, as director of the Concert Band, also has control over some scholarships for music majors to play in Tiger Band.
When Wickes was in power, he was head of both the concert side of the house and the athletic side of the house. When he retired, the school of music refused to hand over control of the concert side to his protege, Linda Morehouse. Since she couldn't have both, she left for the University of Illinois, where she has control over both.
This left Roy as the only man left. They let Roy have control over the Tiger Band and hired outside for people to run the concert side, but Roy still had control of those scholarships.
The school of music has always looked down on the Tiger Band. In many cases, professors purposefully schedule required courses during Tiger Band practice hours to force students to not be in band. They often look down at music majors who associate with that plebeian rabble that is the Tiger Band much like a beer maven scoffs at someone drinking Bud Lite.
As budget cuts have hit the various departments of the University, the School of Music went to Alexander begging to be spared from cuts. Alexander told them to find the money somewhere. Since the Tiger Band is a huge source of donations from alumni and is funded by the TAF, they wanted to find a way to tap into that money. First, they asked Roy to hand over control of the concert band scholarships. He said no. Then, they wanted control over direct donations to the Tiger Band. Roy, of course, said no.
Finally, they demanded all of his email records, placed him under investigation, suspended him, and then trumped up some charges to fire him.
Make no mistake, this is all about the money.
If the school of music hires anyone but the current interim director of bands, Dennis Illnas, they will never see another dime from me, and my brother is a school of music graduate, and I am a former 4-year member of the Tiger Band.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:13 am to ash6928
There can only be one King and F. King is it.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:13 am to ash6928
This one time at band camp he stuck a flute in his pussy.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:21 am to kingbob
Or you could post a more realistic situation.
From another poster:
From another poster:
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I have heard this from a trusted source who has first hand knowledge.
Roy not only controlled the stipend money that every member of Tiger Band received, he also controlled the full scholarships that the Band used to recruit top high school musicians who were interested in playing in Tiger Band. These scholarships also include requirements for those musicians to participate in other wind ensembles within the SOM (Wind Ensemble, Symphonic Winds, or Symphonic Band). Now, all of those ensembles were under the control of Frank Wickes, since he was Director of Bands. So, he routinely used the scholarships to bring in the top talent that built the LSU Wind Ensemble into one of the best in the country.
However, when Wickes retired, the SOM restructured the Tiger Band job away from being the Director of Bands. This change is related to why Moorhouse left; she was not being given the same scope of responsibilities that Wickes was given. When Roy took the Tiger Band jobs, he still had control of the scholarships, but someone else was the director of the Wind Ensemble. In certain cases, Roy threatened to take away scholarships from musicians who won a seat in Wind Ensemble or Symphonic Winds who then decided to not participate in Symphonic Band, the concert ensemble Roy directed.
In other words, more money was available to provide scholarships to the third band than was available to the top band. That's an untenable situation, even though nothing was illegal in the situation. I suspect that the whole thing has been brewing for years and that a particular incident brought it to a confrontation. Roy was told to stop the above policy or resign. He would do neither. The administrative leave was likely merely a formality to satisfy some university protocol for dismissing a faculty member who was not being accused of a crime. Either way, LSU has an obligation to not disclose any of this information to the public due to privacy laws. We aren't going to find out anything more unless it comes out in open court, something I expect will never happen. Sad that it has come to this. I hope that we can move on in the next few years and that Tiger Band can remain a wonderful representative of the university.
Peace.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:23 am to Bullfrog
That dude is such a worthless failure of a POS. He has given LSU the biggest negative bump in the media I've ever seen. His whole entire life consists of making himself known politically and whining about money. I mean, how many schools have been on ESPN with rumors of their tier 1 football teams shutting down (which is actually making it's own money and PAYS the school)?
The thing he doesn't tell anyone is that LSU's budget has been increasing every year for as long as I felt like looking back ('09 was where I stopped).
frick that dude. I wouldn't shake his hand
The thing he doesn't tell anyone is that LSU's budget has been increasing every year for as long as I felt like looking back ('09 was where I stopped).
frick that dude. I wouldn't shake his hand
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:26 am to lsufan251875
quote:Such as?
Either way, LSU has an obligation to not disclose any of this information to the public due to privacy laws
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:34 am to ipodking
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Shitty halftime shows
You are being to kind.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:42 am to ash6928
They botched the les miles firing and still really wanted to shitcan someone.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:51 am to dbeck
Now that you say that, I wonder if you're not wrong. It may well be Dr. Alexander trying to exert some sort of power over TAF.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/30/16 at 12:19 pm to kingbob
quote:Always liked her. From the outside looking in, Linda appeared to have a passion for the Tiger Band that outsiders never could and never appreciated.
Linda Morehouse.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 12:35 pm to BigPerm30
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This one time at band camp he stuck a flute in his pussy.
Man, that joke never gets old. I'm sure you chuckled while typing it.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 12:37 pm to Bullfrog
I've known Linda for 36 years. She's a wonderful person and is among the best at her profession. She absolutely should have been given the same deal that Frank Wickes had.
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