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Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:27 am to BLIZZAKE7
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In China, a 30-story building can be completed in only 15 days this is 100% bullshite
Why you people hung up on this? so lets move that out to say 60 days. Still at least 5 times faster than a 30 story being built in the U.S. This nation is built on having bureaucracy/red tape at whatever major project is constructed. I mean seriously how many permits does one neeed to construct something? Same way with highways/bridges etc.... Totally agree with OP!
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:31 am to Dire Wolf
The low bid philosophy is a major cause. Good and cheap is slow. Also, planning/development cycle is always expedited which causes too many changes and indecisiveness causes delays.
I am a PM for a design/build general contractor. We have built 2 million sqft distribution centers in 9 months and taken 3 years for similar projects. It doesn't usually fall on the contractor. The customer is usually the major source of the delays. Too involved, too ignorant, too indecisive, etc...
I am a PM for a design/build general contractor. We have built 2 million sqft distribution centers in 9 months and taken 3 years for similar projects. It doesn't usually fall on the contractor. The customer is usually the major source of the delays. Too involved, too ignorant, too indecisive, etc...
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:31 am to Dire Wolf
What kind of building can you do in 15 days?
Maybe some kind of pre engineered building that is stock and on the shelf ready to throw up, but no way can you build a 30 story building that fast.
Maybe some kind of pre engineered building that is stock and on the shelf ready to throw up, but no way can you build a 30 story building that fast.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:32 am to Dire Wolf
All of the good contractors are now plant operators.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:32 am to FLObserver
Two days a floor???
No way.
No way.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:35 am to Dire Wolf
Speaking as a person just wrapping up a federal project, there's way too many cooks in the kitchen that feel entitled. Everyone wants a place at the trough before the project is wrapped up. 15-20% on the contractor for taking advantage of this and charging more money, but the other 80% is self important rulers of their little fiefdoms.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:37 am to Dire Wolf
Road construction = local funding
Building = poor planning, funding
Building = poor planning, funding
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:37 am to FLObserver
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Same way with highways/bridges etc.... Totally agree with OP!
Ask the Chinese how long it took to build the Three Gorges Dam and how many people died while building it.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:46 am to FLObserver
Second avenue subway is total joke. Took 10 years to go 25 blocks. That's phase 1 of four. At that rate it will be done in 40 years 
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Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:54 am to MorbidTheClown
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low bids
And then a million change orders to recoup the lost $$
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:56 am to Dire Wolf
Thievery by the government.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:59 am to Dire Wolf
quote:Like this?
In China, a 30-story building can be completed in only 15 days.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:02 am to Dire Wolf
Far more stringent building regulations than other countries
Non-Mexican construction workers are usually terrible
Non-Mexican construction workers are usually terrible
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:04 am to Tiger in NY
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And then a million change orders to recoup the lost $$
Definitely a huge part of the problem, but the basis of it all is the refusal to look at anything but lowest bid number. You get what you pay for.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:12 am to The Mick
Posted on 6/1/17 at 9:12 am to Marlo Stanfield
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Workers work 30 mins and then break for 10 in the hotter months.
You have that backwards. And rightfully so.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 10:06 am to Dire Wolf
Forget public Works. Private works have regulation and unions working against them.
China has less worker rights and lower safety standards. Anyone care to compare EMRs between the two?
And even that's flawed because many of these other countries underreport such statistics. In fact, if you look at the data for large industrial projects (self reported) it's safer to work in construction in India where they don't wear shoes or fall protection than it is here in the US. Yeah right.
Tldr, we have rules and regulations that others do not. Some necessary and some excessive.
China has less worker rights and lower safety standards. Anyone care to compare EMRs between the two?
And even that's flawed because many of these other countries underreport such statistics. In fact, if you look at the data for large industrial projects (self reported) it's safer to work in construction in India where they don't wear shoes or fall protection than it is here in the US. Yeah right.
Tldr, we have rules and regulations that others do not. Some necessary and some excessive.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 10:06 am to Dire Wolf
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In China, a 30-story building can be completed in only 15 days.
Lulz. I wouldn't step foot in a 30 floor high rise that was built in 15 days.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 10:12 am to Dire Wolf
Effin Code and Building regulations. Also seems as though they have to have a study done for 1-2 years to see if the project is possible. Then another 1-2 years for bids and lawsuits over the bid process.
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