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re: When was the United States at its peak - in relation to the world?
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:33 pm to AUCE05
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:33 pm to AUCE05
Only because of technology. It'd be really hard to argue that the gents from 1940's didn't have more grit and know how than the modern day American male population, with few exceptions. They were tougher because they grew up with far less, but were taught morals and principle.
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:34 pm to Reservoir dawg
anytime before we gave women the vote
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:35 pm to rpg37
Our peak came at a price IMO. We became richer and more powerful than ever after WWII, but the geopolitical context we stepped into as the hegemonic counterbalance to the Soviet Union and now whoever else emerges as the leading rival ensures our steady decline.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:37 pm to Napoleon
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1945. We could have at that point taken over the entire world.
No we couldn't have. Strategic consumption is real. And there is no possible way we could have held it and to no productive end anyhow.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:38 pm to upgrayedd
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There was Russian Army that would have differed
We would have rolled through the Russians with Germans turning right around to fight again. Don't think for a second that the German's weren't ready to roll all the way to Moscow. Also, a nuke is a hell of a weapon when you are the only one playing with them.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:39 pm to NimbleCat
Yes.
We were nukin people.
Different ball game.
We were nukin people.
Different ball game.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:40 pm to rpg37
At its peak what? Economics, military, political influence? IMO, the 1990s are going to be really hard to beat.
Only military pretender competitor fell apart.
Economy prospered and technological advantages surged.
Led coalition in first Gulf War.
Backyard calmed down somewhat.
Only military pretender competitor fell apart.
Economy prospered and technological advantages surged.
Led coalition in first Gulf War.
Backyard calmed down somewhat.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:40 pm to NimbleCat
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We would have rolled through the Russians with Germans turning right around to fight again. Don't think for a second that the German's weren't ready to roll all the way to Moscow. Also, a nuke is a hell of a weapon when you are the only one playing with them.
The attitude of the U.S. military and political leadership would never have permitted this, Patton notwithstanding.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:41 pm to ChewyDante
Also, people fail to realize, we had very limited nuclear weapons at the end of WWII.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:42 pm to rpg37
1980-1988
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:46 pm to ChewyDante
quote:how many would be have needed ?
Also, people fail to realize, we had very limited nuclear weapons at the end of WWII.
besides we would have had the Nazi scientist we could have built more bombs maybe ever the missiles to deliver
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:47 pm to ChewyDante
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we had very limited nuclear weapons at the end of WWII.
Again, when your the only one playing with nukes...2 more is all it would take.
I don't think the political and military leadership (Patton Excluded) foresaw the absolute menace that Stalin would be to the West. The writing was there for anyone to read. Stalin murdering Russian troops that mingled with the West should have been enough for the USA to know the war wasn't finished with the Axis.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:47 pm to rpg37
1950!
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:50 pm to OWLFAN86
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how many would be have needed ?
For what? To take over the world? A fricking lot.
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besides we would have had the Nazi scientist we could have built more bombs maybe ever the missiles to deliver
We didn't need Nazi scientists to build nuclear bombs. We were far ahead of them. We lacked the materials and the process to make them was slow.
Now we could have bluffed but that would have had limited effect.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:51 pm to NimbleCat
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Again, when your the only one playing with nukes...2 more is all it would take.
Well I think you are talking about just defeating the USSR. That's different. Somebody else said taking over the world. Which is an absurd suggestion.
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I don't think the political and military leadership (Patton Excluded) foresaw the absolute menace that Stalin would be to the West. The writing was there for anyone to read.
Believe me, I agree with you more you than you know on this point.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:52 pm to rpg37
1969 - we landed on the moon.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:54 pm to Napoleon
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1945. We could have at that point taken over the entire world.
That would have been 1985
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:54 pm to ChewyDante
quote:just to defeat USSR
To take over the world? A fricking lot.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:59 pm to OWLFAN86
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just to defeat USSR
Oh I believe we could have defeated the USSR without nuclear weapons. It sure as shite woulnd't have been easy though. By no means. And it would have required full participation from our French and British allies. Preferably the Germans too but that was a sticky political situation.
There is of course the possibility of Mao Tse Tung's Communists and the USSR joining forces.
The few nukes we had in 1945-1946 wouldn't have been enough to prevent that from being a full on, extremely bloody conventional war though.
The ideal scenario would have been to push them back to their pre-war borders east of Poland and settle. Other than that it would have been rather unpredictable and costly beyond comprehension. IMO.
Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:00 pm to OWLFAN86
We just slow-played the USSR economically. That is what defeated them eventually. WW2 ended and we were in far better shape than anyone. We had struck deals with the rest of world and had put missiles all around them...They were beaten then but just did not know it.
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