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re: What would North America be like today had the American Indians been left alone?

Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:03 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:03 pm to
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Has any group been treated better by modern PC history revision than the American Indian?
Yes before the white man North America was a progressive and peaceful land where all lived in prosperity and war was unknown
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:10 pm to
Well, assuming the Chinese or Japanese didn't land on the west coast, there'd Be a lot more bison running around I'd guess. Oh, and they'd probably still be inter tribal slavery. And human sacrifice in some places.

It's probably a more interesting question to ask how European history would be different. Napoleon wouldn't have had the Louisiana purchase to sell (or anyone to sell it to),Euopean countries might have put more emphasis on colonies in places like Australia, Africa and India; WWI might have come out different without the US or if not, maybe WWII. Probably a lot of other changes. Invention of things like flight and automobiles may have taken different shapes, etc.
This post was edited on 11/27/14 at 11:13 pm
Posted by cave canem
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:22 pm to
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Tenoctlan, the Aztec capitol, had a population of 200,000. The people lived in stone houses with running water brought to the city by aqueducts. The Incas had a system of roads throughout their empire, understood astronomy, and developed a calendar.



Yep, and by the 16th century they had yet to domesticate animals nor discovered the usefulness of the wheel, regularly practiced human sacrifice and had an economy based on forced slavery usually by kidnapping. The roads you mention were more akin to footpaths than anything else. Lets stop with the revisionist history. If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:28 pm to
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Yep, and by the 16th century they had yet to domesticate animals nor discovered the usefulness of the wheel, regularly practiced human sacrifice and had an economy based on forced slavery usually by kidnapping. The roads you mention were more akin to footpaths than anything else. Lets stop with the revisionist history. If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.




At the same time, Europeans were also practicing slavery, and burning heretics at the stake, which looks an awful lot like human sacrifice to me. Most people lived in squalor, and even the nobility stank to high heaven because nobody bathed. No one was particularly civilized by modern standards. Europeans certainly weren't morally superior, and although they had some technological advantages, they conquered North America mostly by accidentally, and sometimes intentionally, introducing fatal diseases to the native population.
Posted by street pizza
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:32 pm to
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:40 pm to
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it would be like africa


Africa was left alone? This is news to me. What history class did you take?
Posted by 911Moto
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:03 am to
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Less obese.


For several years we used to hit the casino and the waterpark run by Indians in Mississippi. I think I saw one skinny one (a male) in 5 years.
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:21 am to
Here come the oblivious nationalists.
Posted by cave canem
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:57 am to
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Europeans were also practicing slavery


While very true European slavery was miniscule when compared to the slavery in the Americas at this time. Entire wars were carried out and tribes decimated only to capture slaves.


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and burning heretics at the stake, which looks an awful lot like human sacrifice to me


Although I disagree with the idea, burning heretics at the stake was a punishment for a crime. Cutting out thousands of peoples hearts to appease the wind god is a bit different, sorry you are incapable of distinguishing the difference.


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Most people lived in squalor, and even the nobility stank to high heaven because nobody bathed.



Not even going to comment on this drivel.


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Europeans certainly weren't morally superior, and although they had some technological advantages, they conquered North America mostly by accidentally, and sometimes intentionally, introducing fatal diseases to the native population.



WTF does this even have to do with the question at hand? Did you type it just to feel better about yourself? And by the way it is completely false.
Posted by FLObserver
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:15 am to
You arse would have been at work yesterday! That is of course assuming you have a job! So I tip my hat to the redman who sacrificed so much so that I could enjoy a few days off.
Posted by cave canem
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:41 am to
Was at work yesterday, not everyone sucks on the gov. tit like you.
Posted by stat19
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:50 am to
Afghanistan
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:52 am to
This question is impossible to answer.
Posted by mauser
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:18 am to
Syphilitic

Posted by ecb
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:35 am to


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Posted by Jim Rockford on 11/27 at 11:28 pm to cave canem
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Yep, and by the 16th century they had yet to domesticate animals nor discovered the usefulness of the wheel, regularly practiced human sacrifice and had an economy based on forced slavery usually by kidnapping. The roads you mention were more akin to footpaths than anything else. Lets stop with the revisionist history. If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.



At the same time, Europeans were also practicing slavery, and burning heretics at the stake, which looks an awful lot like human sacrifice to me. Most people lived in squalor, and even the nobility stank to high heaven because nobody bathed. No one was particularly civilized by modern standards. Europeans certainly weren't morally superior, and although they had some technological advantages, they conquered North America mostly by accidentally, and sometimes intentionally, introducing fatal diseases to the native population.

but this will upset the "Great White Man" revisionists
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 7:39 am
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:35 am to
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weagle99


you would still be chromosomes in some european's ovary
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:47 am to
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 If left to their own devices the natives of North America would be the most backwards and uncivilized people on earth. The slums of Rio would look palatial in comparison.


I hope you don't really believe this. What part of looking at the ancient Mayans and Aztecs makes you believe this? They were more advanced half a century ago than many current societies around the world. With another 500 or so years under their belt who knows how advanced they'd be today.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:12 am to
Yea I live in Mississippi and the Choctaws that work at the casino look like tree stumps with hair. All have the same build, men and women.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:30 am to
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I hope you don't really believe this. What part of looking at the ancient Mayans and Aztecs makes you believe this? They were more advanced half a century ago than many current societies around the world. With another 500 or so years under their belt who knows how advanced they'd be today.



Your idiot arse does realize that "half a century" ago was 1964. This alone says you know not of which you speak.
Posted by smuphy72
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:31 am to
Casinos everywhere.
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