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What is the OT view of mass transit?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:16 pm
Been in D.C. for a few days. Rode the Metro everywhere. Done NYC and London and other places. The number of people that can be moved into, out of, and around cities via trains is mind boggling.
But people in places like the South, and especially in Texas, hate any form of transportation that doesn't involve them sitting alone in a car (or pickup truck, brah). So putting aside the environmental aspects of the internal combustion engine, just from an economic standpoint it seems inefficient and wasteful. Why haven't people outside big northern and eastern cities embraced mass transit?
(Comment about poors on buses in 3-2-1...)
But people in places like the South, and especially in Texas, hate any form of transportation that doesn't involve them sitting alone in a car (or pickup truck, brah). So putting aside the environmental aspects of the internal combustion engine, just from an economic standpoint it seems inefficient and wasteful. Why haven't people outside big northern and eastern cities embraced mass transit?
(Comment about poors on buses in 3-2-1...)
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:17 pm to Slippy
Most southern cities are too spread out for trains to make sense
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:17 pm to Slippy
Because the cities outside of the northeast are too spread out for mass transit to work well.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:19 pm to Slippy
A monorail would be pretty sweet
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:24 pm to Slippy
Do you even population density?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:27 pm to Slippy
A friend of mine just moved to downtown Dallas, and he has a DART stop right in front of his building. The 2 times I've gone to see him, I've taken the train. I have a station about 4 miles away from my house, so it's perfect.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:29 pm to Slippy
Mass transit sucks. Anybody who had to rid the public school bus can tell you that.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:30 pm to Slippy
I rode the train to downtown Dallas three years and loved it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:45 pm to Slippy
Big fan.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:47 pm to Slippy
Road mass transit in St. Louis a few weeks ago, very convenient.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:49 pm to Slippy
I like it. I have used it all through the NE and it works well.
Useless in the South
Useless in the South
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:51 pm to Seldom Seen
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Mass transit sucks.
Depends on where you live. It does suck in most American cities, especially in the south.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:52 pm to Slippy
The D.C. Metro is the cleanest I've ever used.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:55 pm to nobigdeal69
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A friend of mine just moved to downtown Dallas, and he has a DART stop right in front of his building. The 2 times I've gone to see him, I've taken the train. I have a station about 4 miles away from my house, so it's perfect.
Fact. Have a TRE station down the street. When the wife and I go to Dallas to hang out downtown, uptown, or deep ellum, we take the train. $20 for unlimited train and bus rides for the day and don't have to worry about parking, gas, or a Dui.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:56 pm to Slippy
DART does alright in Dallas if you happen to work downtown and live near a line and since they have built it a lot more housing is near it. It takes people off the road but the vast majority can't use it, too spread out like everybody else said.
and it is only 1 track each way, so no express trains, so you are still talking 40 minutes from way out, which is probably better than the same drive but I just wouldn't set myself up to do that either way.
and it is only 1 track each way, so no express trains, so you are still talking 40 minutes from way out, which is probably better than the same drive but I just wouldn't set myself up to do that either way.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:02 pm to Slippy
A city needs a certain level of density for rail to be effective. When parking lots are an effective use of real estate, rail won't work and/or is just a novelty.
For reference, NYC's 2nd Ave extension cost $4b and took decades to accomplish... for 3 stops between 30 blocks.
I will try to find an article by an ex-NYC MTA budget executive discussing the finances of mass transit and transit in general. His basic message was that most projects have a lifespan of 30 years yet get pushed 50+ years. The deferred maintenance snowballs until complete paralysis.
For reference, NYC's 2nd Ave extension cost $4b and took decades to accomplish... for 3 stops between 30 blocks.
I will try to find an article by an ex-NYC MTA budget executive discussing the finances of mass transit and transit in general. His basic message was that most projects have a lifespan of 30 years yet get pushed 50+ years. The deferred maintenance snowballs until complete paralysis.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:08 pm to Slippy
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Why haven't people outside big northern and eastern cities embraced mass transit?
Dallas mass transit has solid ridership.
This goes unsaid but people who wouldn't be caught dead on a bus will ride the train.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:12 pm to Slippy
Southern cities, such as Houston and Dallas, have great mass transit systems within their primary loops. Outside of these loops require people to own a car. I prefer using my own car by far. Cities that have well funded infrastructure can build tollways and, if you ask me, are way better than sitting on a nasty train.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:21 pm to chinhoyang
I would love a monarail/highspeed type train that would run the causeway. Have a stop in Covington, Mandeville, Metairie by Lakeway and or by Galleria, looped to Elmwood and or split and go Oschner, Tulane and then cbd. I would possibly leave Southshore If we had something like this. Heck carry it all the way to east or Chalmette, Slidell then back to Covington.
In reality would be run down in months, inefficient and probably not be worth the hassle.
In reality would be run down in months, inefficient and probably not be worth the hassle.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:25 pm to Cmk07c
Yeah I feel the same way about the BR to Nola train proposal. I think it would be shitty within 3 months and not many people make that commute for work. The original proposal said that it would be a 40 minute trip which isn't much better than driving.
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