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re: Weekend work emails now illegal in France.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:00 am to Black n Gold
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:00 am to Black n Gold
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:00 am to MSMHater
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I imposed this rule on myself years ago.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:02 am to StrongBackWeakMind
I think one of the unintended consequences of this is companies will be way more strict on work schedules. If you have a typical office job before, you could probably get away with coming in 5-10 minutes late, leaving to go to a doctor's appointment, or leaving early for whatever reason. Now, you better be on your computer during typical work hours. I'd much rather receive work emails after hours, deal with them as I see fit, and have a more relaxed work schedule.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:02 am to LSU1NSEC
i posted a comment on a liberal friend's FB about this yesterday. deleted
i don't get why we want to punish the productive alphas (which i am not)
i can fully admit that i'd love this policy for me, but i also understand there are grinders out there who this hurts
i don't get why we want to punish the productive alphas (which i am not)
i can fully admit that i'd love this policy for me, but i also understand there are grinders out there who this hurts
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:04 am to UGATiger26
Weekend emails make for very inefficient Mondays. If employees do not feel like they have had ample time off from work, they won't do shite when they get back in the office on Mondays.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:05 am to DoUrden
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if I'm on vacation I might as well be dead to you for that period of time. If it's something urgent that needs attention then it is what it is and I get it done. I work to live I don't live to work.
I try to be this way as well. My problem - and I know A LOT of people who have this same problem - is that I have a hard time relaxing if I don't know what's in my inbox. It's a negative by-product of technology, and it sucks. I try to shut out work as much as I can, but I'm still struggling with it.
When my wife and I are on vacation for a week or so, we've come to an agreement that we both spend 10-15 mins each morning checking our email and making sure there aren't any emergencies that pop up. Afterwards, we are both able to relax a lot more easily.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:06 am to LSU1NSEC
Textbook definition of.....Surrender Monkey
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:06 am to UGATiger26
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I'm more referring to emergencies. Also, if I have a lot on my to-do list, I will work late and send emails to people after hours with updates on progress, etc. I don't expect those people to respond right then and there, but it's nice to have those emails sent and not have to worry about it the next day.
I agree with this. It shouldn't ruin your weekend that you got an email. Smartphones give you the ability to set your phone where the email doesn't show up until you actually click on the email app, and then they load. So you can avoid your work email all weekend, wake up Monday morning and open the app and let your emails come through. This is exactly what I do.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:06 am to Black n Gold
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I have had bosses that have been explicit with their expectations that I respond to weekend emails
I've got a friend that lives on the north shore, works in NOLA, been with the company 30+ years, kind of a higher up, they made him an offer to work from home on the computer(with set hours of availability,) and maybe come in 1-2 times a week, every time he turned on his computer to sort of line out his work, no matter what time of day, he would get a barrage of requests to take care of this or that, after a few months of this he told that he'd just go back to driving in to work
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
I would be almost certain there is more to this than that article lets on.
I work for an international energy company, if we were spilling gallons of product in France, they aren't just going to go "well you can't email anyone, so get back to us on Monday."
Same for the French attorneys I know who grind out weekends pretty often.
I work for an international energy company, if we were spilling gallons of product in France, they aren't just going to go "well you can't email anyone, so get back to us on Monday."
Same for the French attorneys I know who grind out weekends pretty often.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:10 am to Black n Gold
What I've experienced with after hours emails and calls is the lack of allowing subordinates to make decisions. 90% of the time I'm called or emailed it's something that a subordinate was not allowed to decide or didn't feel comfortable and not by myself. Sometimes that's a lack of a company paying to have someone to make the decisions on the weekends and after hours, but more often than not its micromanagement and lack of trust.
I also think there's something to be said in pushing hard to work 35 hours a week and get all the work done that takes someone always in the office 50 hours in the states. Cut down on the water cooler talk and unnecessary meetings to plan meetings.
I also think there's something to be said in pushing hard to work 35 hours a week and get all the work done that takes someone always in the office 50 hours in the states. Cut down on the water cooler talk and unnecessary meetings to plan meetings.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:11 am to CorporateTiger
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I work for an international energy company, if we were spilling gallons of product in France, they aren't just going to go "well you can't email anyone, so get back to us on Monday."
I would imagine that is for people with the time scheduled off, I'm sure there are people scheduled to work weekends and/or on call for situations like that, my company would play hell trying to get me when I'm off duty, unless of course it's of some benefit to me
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:12 am to CorporateTiger
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I would be almost certain there is more to this than that article lets on.
Yeah, this is included in the article.
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Under the new law, companies are mandated to negotiate formal policies to limit the spillover of work, specifically as it’s related to “digital technology,” into the private lives of employees. This, according to the BBC, will involve companies establishing “charters of good conduct” specifying hours, typically in the evenings and weekends, when employees aren’t supposed to send or receive email.
So it sounds like it's up to the companies to establish what their own practices will be, but I'm not sure how this is any different than what already exists (organizational culture) but just formalized as a policy.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:12 am to LSU1NSEC
Sort of related but employees who work the weekends consistently either are not efficient with their time or are overly ambitious. We all have to work weekends once in a while. I like seeing my direct reports not work weekends that offen. It means they are getting the job done efficiently and they have the right work load. Working smart is better than working longer
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:13 am to baldona
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I also think there's something to be said in pushing hard to work 35 hours a week and get all the work done that takes someone always in the office 50 hours in the states. Cut down on the water cooler talk and unnecessary meetings to plan meetings.
or get off tigerdroppings
guilty as charged
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't get why we want to punish the productive alphas (which i am not)
because the alphas make the other look bad...and we can't have that these days
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:13 am to CorporateTiger
Probably designed to protect workers from negative consequences if they want to disconnect after work hours.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:14 am to CunningLinguist
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overly ambitious
Is this really a thing? I pity people who aren't ambitious enough.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:20 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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And we owe the French for their help in the American Revolution.
Paid back during WWII.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:21 am to CorporateTiger
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Same for the French attorneys I know who grind out weekends pretty often.
I've had good experiences with french attorneys too.
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