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re: Waco Update: Last Biker Finally Being Released (Update in OP)
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:10 pm to retired trucker
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:10 pm to retired trucker
This story only reinforces my belief, that Austin is the only city in Texas worth a damn. The best day I've had in 2015, was when my boss called and said, we need you back in Colorado.
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:12 pm to CaptainsWafer
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Then this means some were hit by something that wasn't fired by the police. So someone else was shooting as well.
The cops were the only ones there with weapons like M4's that fire that type of round.
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As much as you think the cops were waiting for something to happen so they could just shoot everyone, that's not the case.
The cops had the whole place surrounded even before the bikers showed up. But I don't think they went into this with the intention of killing a bunch of bikers. I think what happened was they heard a shot go off, one of the cops got trigger happy and opened fire, and then it was a domino effect where other cops opened fire as well.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:14 pm to Darth_Vader
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The cops were the only ones there with weapons like M4's that fire that type of round.
Right, but every bullet wound wasn't created by an M4. I'm saying the police were doing a majority of the shooting, but they weren't the only ones shooting.
Every cop there had a gun, not every non cop. I'm sure the cops fired a TON of shots, I'm just saying they weren't the only ones shooting.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:19 pm to CaptainsWafer
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Right, but every bullet wound wasn't created by an M4. I'm saying the police were doing a majority of the shooting, but they weren't the only ones shooting.
Every cop there had a gun, not every non cop. I'm sure the cops fired a TON of shots, I'm just saying they weren't the only ones shooting.
You and I are actually in agreement here. The firing started (according to reports) when one biker shot another in the shoulder with a pistol. The problem though is the fact that almost 40 people were shot, most of which were unarmed, including many of those who were killed by being shot in the back from distance by rounds from weapons that the bikers didn't have.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:23 pm to tgrbaitn08
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I'd love to see you come across one of these guys.. they would stomp a foot and you'd run to momma like a scared little pissant..
Why would they do that? These are the nicest, most generous, loving and church going guys you'd ever meet.
Could you stop trying to derail the thread with your trolling please?
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:55 pm to Darth_Vader
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Could you stop trying to derail the thread with your trolling please?
He can't because he's obviously an a-hole. The attitude people have in here of good riddance is stupid. If it was one of their relatives caught up in this atrocity they wouldn't be so nonchalant about it
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:57 pm to bencoleman
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If it was one of their relatives caught up in this atrocity they wouldn't be so nonchalant about it
Pretty goes for anything in life
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:25 pm to Topwater Trout
There are cameras everywhere. Beyond the possible 25 or so from different businesses around there, there were dash cams of all the LEO's that had surrounded the place. There were many people that were not involved that had cell cams.
How many of the LEO's had body cams? Have any of the attorneys involved subpoenaed all of the confiscated footage yet?
How many of the LEO's had body cams? Have any of the attorneys involved subpoenaed all of the confiscated footage yet?
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:43 pm to Hangit
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There are cameras everywhere. Beyond the possible 25 or so from different businesses around there,
AP reported being able to watch something like 9 different cameras from inside Twin Peaks. They reported the cameras showed most everyone inside were taking cover or helping others to cover from the gunshots outside. Only one person can be seen firing from the patio outside. But for some reason the Waco PD still arrested all the bikers inside Twin Peaks. This is where the vast majority of the 177 arrested on "cookie-cutter" arrest warants came from. And for some reason the AP was not allowed to show those videos, only report on what they showed. This was early on in the process, not long after the whole thing went down at Twin Peaks.
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there were dash cams of all the LEO's that had surrounded the place. There were many people that were not involved that had cell cams.
How many of the LEO's had body cams?
From what I've read, cell phones were confiscated and the Waco PD is not releasing any dash cam footage. I have no idea if any of them had body cams.
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Have any of the attorneys involved subpoenaed all of the confiscated footage yet?
They have. But a judge in Waco (who just happens to be the ex-law partner of the Waco prosecutor) has put a gag order on the whole case. LINK... Of course what are we to expect from a town that puts a Waco PD dective already involved in the case as foreman of the grand jury to hear all the cases from Twin Peaks.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:49 pm to Darth_Vader
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Waco PD is not releasing any dash cam footage
Going to be hard to get around that discovery request.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:50 pm to Darth_Vader
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Of course what are we to expect from a town that puts a Waco PD dective already involved in the case as foreman of the grand jury to hear all the cases from Twin Peaks.
Dude. Second sentence in your own link...
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The grand jury was selected using the new state-mandated random method.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:57 pm to BBONDS25
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Dude. Second sentence in your own link...
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The grand jury was selected using the new state-mandated random method.
Yes. In a city of 130,000 people, one of the Waco PD detectives that was in the middle of the whole investigation and interviewing of the bikers just "randomly" happens to be not only selected for the Grand Jury over the Waco biker cases, but to also serve as it's foreman. If you believe that detective heading that grand jury is really "random", I've got a bridge to sell you.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:02 pm to Darth_Vader
All I know is someone got the setup they wanted and the results they wanted and Waco PD fricked up and is trying to cover their asses. SYLB
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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AP reported being able to watch something like 9 different cameras from inside Twin Peaks.
I am speaking of the dozens of cameras that caught footage outside. Any attorney would surely subpoena every scrap of footage. Waco PD's actions in this are suspect and they have no right to decide what is exculpatory and what is not.
The problem with this is that the people with everything to lose in this are in possession of all of the footage. Evidence gets lost, footage gets erased, etc. I am not saying any of that happened but the appearance of impropriety will change the bottom line on the settlements that are sure to come.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:05 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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I'd like to know if he was informed of the potential for violence and decided to attend any way.
2 knives? Just going have fun with a couple of buddies?
Dude, this is Texas.
A shitload of people have some sort of weapon either on them or in their vehicle at all times.
I have a small leatherman multi tool in my car right now and if I had my camping gear in there that would be upped to 4 different kinds of knives and a hatchet.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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I'd like to know if he was informed of the potential for violence and decided to attend any way.
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I highly doubt it.
Are you telling me the clubs were informed weeks ahead of time and no one passed the message down to the members?
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:12 pm to Agforlife
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All I know is someone got the setup they wanted and the results they wanted and Waco PD fricked up and is trying to cover their asses. SYLB
Well it has always struck me as odd that there was that much firepower already surrounding the place. I've been to plenty of COC meetings here in Alabama where there will be "public safety" roadblocks just outside the entrances to the meeting place. The last such instance was only late last year where I was greeted by a guy in full body armor and armed with an M4 demanding to see my DL. While he looked it over another similarly armed guy came around and made sure to get plenty of pictures of me from front, side, and back. What agency or law entity these guys belonged to, I have no idea. They had no marking on anything to say who they were. Both looked like they were more equipped to storm Fallujah than conduct a random roadside check. But even with that, what the cops had lined up in Waco was on a whole other scale. The cops in Waco came into that situation loaded for bear.
ETA: And one more thing about this roadblock, only motorcycles were pulled over and checked. If you were in a cage, you were waived on through.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:14 pm to Dr RC
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A shitload of people have some sort of weapon either on them or in their vehicle at all times. I have a small leatherman multi tool in my car right now and if I had my camping gear in there that would be upped to 4 different kinds of knives and a hatchet.
It doesn't matter. It is not against the law. They could have killed someone with the "Death of 1000 paper cuts" so anyone with a checkbook should have been shot or arrested too.
Having a shotgun in the trunk of your car is not illegal either but weren't some cars impounded and sold based on this?
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:16 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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I'd like to know if he was informed of the potential for violence and decided to attend any way.
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I highly doubt it.
Are you telling me the clubs were informed weeks ahead of time and no one passed the message down to the members?
Dude, it was just a standard COC meeting. These things take place all the time in every state across the nation and have for years. And one standing rule with all COC's is they're neutral ground where whatever beef you have with another club, it does not interfere with the COC meeting. I know that's not what happened here. But before this instance, COC meetings were known for being non-violent. What happened at the COC meeting in Waco has literally never happened before as far as I know.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:21 pm to tgrbaitn08
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If they started shooting at each other and the cops didnt know where the shots were coming from or where they were pointed, then the cops had no other choice but than to return fire.
So, you think it is ok for cops to just shoot not knowing where they are shooting and what they are shooting at? Just as long as they shoot?
Good grief!
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