re: Video of Oregon protester being shot is released, FBI agents under investigation

i guess they should have waited for him to actually shoot a cop first?

you get out of the truck after repeatedly saying you're going to have to kill me. and continuing to repeat that over and over. then reach for your pocket... you might get shot.

What praise? I said they were shooting at the vehicle as it was going toward them. Was it the drivers intent to run through it? Was it his intent to harm? We don't know. However, You have to make those assumptions as a police officer. Because if you don't, it will be your life instead of his/hers. The moment you deduce a real threat given that this person is fleeing cops at high speeds and has alread let it be known that physical force would be necessary to stop him, you can't hesitate. You're all in.

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If you pay attention and watch the video, the roadblock was around a curve. I don't know if you've driven in snowy conditions but he didn't have much of a chance to stop and at that moment he was looking for a phone or something and as he rounded the curve he was caught off-guard and yelled hold on

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All the time in Tahoe. The police do not know what his motive is, he made the choice to run in those conditions and his actions led to his death.

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What praise? I said they were shooting at the vehicle as it was going toward them. Was it the drivers intent to run through it? Was it his intent to harm? We don't know. However, You have to make those assumptions as a police officer. Because if you don't, it will be your life instead of his/hers. The moment you deduce a real threat given that this person is fleeing cops at high speeds and has alread let it be known that physical force would be necessary to stop him, you can't hesitate. You're all in.

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Im not sure I could have said it any better Mr. Robertson.

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What praise? I said they were shooting at the vehicle as it was going toward them. Was it the drivers intent to run through it? Was it his intent to harm? We don't know. However, You have to make those assumptions as a police officer. Because if you don't, it will be your life instead of his/hers. The moment you deduce a real threat given that this person is fleeing cops at high speeds and has alread let it be known that physical force would be necessary to stop him, you can't hesitate. You're all in.

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I'm not sure what else you can expect those officers to do. Some of the shots at the car after LaVoy was down were unnecessary, but most of the whole situation is sad but inevitable from the way those protesters decided to play this out.

The guy in the back seat was no other than Ryan Bundy, son of Cliven.

I don't think any of them in the truck were related. They were all in that wildlife refuge takeover ordeal together.


the truck passengers

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Resisting arrest doesn't warrant a death sentence.

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It absolutely does not. And I am so sick and tired of people who have this idiotic logic.

I was in court as a 17 year old kid for a minor traffic ticket and a cop came up to me in the court and started sniffing on me for literally no reason.. (I've never drank or done illegal drugs in my life) It offended me so much that as he left I made a remark under my breath and said "you arse" He immediately turned around to arrest me and I freaked out.. and ran out the court.. because I have anxiety issues and the thought of being arrested freaked me out.. I could have easily been shot.. I even pushed the officer away as I fled.. once I got out the court though.. I came to my senses and turned myself in bc I knew I wasn't going to just get away.. even though I was still panicking of being arrested I did stop running..

but they could have EASILY shot at me and justified it.. times are so different even now.. 10-15 years later..

I am no criminal, I have not ever had a speeding ticket since nor have I ever been arrested since.. Any ways, when they searched me at the jail they took my initial belongings in one room.. a wallet and phone.. then did another search in another room and found 2 $20 bills in my front pockets and the officer said, "thanks" (this was not even the officer who arrested me that took my money)

When my dad picked me up they gave me my belongings, except not the cash I had in my pockets. I was not happy, but I was so relieved just to be out and they did drop the "assault" charge.. so I still have no record.

2 of the other people in the holding cell could not believe they even arrested me for that.. any ways, I was immature and let my pride get the best of me.. so I still shouldn't have said anything.. I am nothing but respectful of police. I once had 3 officers pull me over after that incident while driving a Trans Am (I was just in traffic, not even driving.) They asked to search my vehicle and I had no issue because I had nothing to hide.. they searched it and let me on my way..

I believe if people were more respectful to cops, they would have less issues with them.. but of course there are still some dirty cops.. any ways, Just sick of people being okay with others getting killed simply for an initial resistance.. and it doesn't always mean you are guilty of something illegal.

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. But a decision has to be made in less than a second when a car is coming at you that fast. You don't have the luxury of hindsight.

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I know all about split second decisions. My comment was that he didn't try to run over anyone or avoid the roadblock and instead swerved to avoid hitting the people and cars blocking the road.

The shoot or don't shoot is a tough one. I feel I have enough first hand experience that I can say the shooting while understandable, may have been a little too quick. This is based on hindsight and only my personal opinion

Not to argue, but looks like he did just about run a guy over at that roadblock.
Now the guy kinda ran out in front of the truck, but still he didn't look like he was slowing down.

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girls in the truck sound scared shitless.

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Yeah, real life is a lot scarier than the fantasy they were living in.