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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **

Posted on 2/1/15 at 6:56 pm to
Posted by Paige
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84748 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 6:56 pm to
Isn't that something the union is looking to rectify?
Posted by Paige
Vice President of the OT
Member since Oct 2010
84748 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 6:57 pm to
He did not say God, dummy
Posted by RadTiger
Member since Oct 2013
1121 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

I ask also everyone on this site one question Are you willing to go to work everyday to give America the products needed to live each day when you may not walk out alive?



Exaggerate much?

quote:

BY THE NUMBERS

U.S. refinery deaths

U.S. petroleum refinery fatalities:

• 2006: 4

• 2007: 5

• 2008: 6

• 2009: 5

• 2010: 7

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics
Posted by Paige
Vice President of the OT
Member since Oct 2010
84748 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 6:59 pm to
Free was in a plant explosion I believe and gave a pbp
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16312 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 6:59 pm to
I'm not sure. Part of the problem is not enough people to get all the work done.
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 7:01 pm
Posted by RadTiger
Member since Oct 2013
1121 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:04 pm to
For comparison:

Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers

Total fatal work injuries in 2013: 220


Driver/sales workers and truck drivers

Total fatal work injuries in 2013: 748


Roofers

Total fatal work injuries in 2013: 69

Fishers and related fishing workers

Total fatal work injuries in 2013: 27


Aircraft pilots and flight engineers

Total fatal work injuries in 2013: 63


Refuse and recyclable material collectors

Total fatal work injuries in 2013: 33
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97641 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:08 pm to
Seems like plants are pretty safe places in comparison
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:10 pm to
dp
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 7:11 pm
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:10 pm to
quote:

I ask also everyone on this site one question Are you willing to go to work everyday to give America the products needed to live each day when you may not walk out alive? When you can answer yes to this question you are a true refinery worker.

Truck drivers disagree
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167272 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:10 pm to
That chick is just spouting off the same hyperbole that unions brainwash members with.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:11 pm to
The guys/girls who work the console are also operators. Being automated and it running itself are two totally different things. These refineries don't run themselves. They are ran by operators using computer programs to adjust the units accordingly.
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6496 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:22 pm to
It costs refineries ridiculous amounts of time and money when people get hurt.
Acting like the unions are needed to drive this behavior is a joke.
And acting like the union is helping the workers and keepig management in check is a joke as well
Management figured out long ago that maintaining an educated, long tenured work force is the best route to a safe and productive operations
In fact, unions do their damnedest to resist safety programs and keep unsafe asshats employed.

Unions did such a good job, they have created an environment where they are no longer needed.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:37 pm to
You said that management figured out that educated peoples are the best route? Tell me why they still hire to reach numbers of employees per certain demographic. Why do they hire bartenders, hair dressers, salesman etc. Why not hire the pipe fitters, electricians and welder a that are in the facilities day In and day out and that also know the lifestyle and hazards that associate with it?
Management hasn't figured out shat!
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6496 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:42 pm to
By educated meaning that they spend millions in training educating employees and employee retention is valuable to a company.

They hire to demographics becase the union supported big liberal government will file law suits against the company if they do not. *not sure if that is even a serious response*



Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:51 pm to
That's their obligation. They are obligated to train their personnel. As far a demographics, it's all about vein fair and equal. I say hire the moist qualified and let's move on.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:52 pm to
Plus management doesn't train operators or craftsman. Other operators and craftsman train/educate one another.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20446 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:54 pm to
But management sure is proud to pull up spreadsheets to show their superiors how the employees are getting certified quick. Rush job to get to the board.
Posted by Txgrl43
Member since Feb 2015
51 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:56 pm to
which state are you referring to when it comes to this numbers?

1989- 23 die 314 injured Phillips 66 houston

2005 - 15 die 170 injured Bp Texas city

2011-11 die deep water horizon

2009-1 died at marathon Garyville I was there he dropped to his death.

2013 there was over 10 thru out Texas

2014-3 died from h2s in Pasadena two where brothers.

What difference does It make if it is 1 or hundreds you are talking about the safety and lives of men and women who work in the refineries ever day their lives matter. And by the way why don't people check what is made in the refineries before you make such statements yes the plants are ticking time bombs . The last accident in Texas city catalyst unit could have been a lot worse then just a cloud going out into the public. Have you worked in a alkylation unit or even know what it is? What about a ultra cracking unit been in one lately .
Posted by Paige
Vice President of the OT
Member since Oct 2010
84748 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:58 pm to
Well you've made it quite clear why you do not work in an office environment if nothing else
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
25894 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:59 pm to
You sound like you have a GED
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