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re: TWA Flight 800: Well, We'll Never Know For Sure
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:45 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:45 pm to bencoleman
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I always heard it was brought down to get at one man.
Sounds like you've been watching too much Scandal :tinfoilhat:
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:49 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
Dude, you had military personell in a C-130 that said they saw the missle but they were dismissed out of hand.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:53 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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Sounds like you've been watching too much Scandal :tinfoilhat:
actually, there was an Eastern Airlines 727 crash in Bolivia in 1985 had family members of a high ranking DEA official on board, the crash occurred shortly after this official declared war on the Escobar cartel
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:54 pm to 777Tiger
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and Airbus couldn't afford to have one of their fleets grounded, the blame was placed on the pilot, for "rudder walking," because it had the least economical/fear factor impact,
Are you saying that you believe it was something different? If something mechanical why have we not seen more? If terrorism why has no one claimed it?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:58 pm to beejon
Pierre Salinger, JFK's press secretary watched it happen. I think he was in Cape Cod. He saw the missile vapor trail and the impact..... google it... think he moved to Paris after this because everyone thought he was a making it up.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:00 pm to blackmouth
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Pierre Salinger, JFK's press secretary watched it happen. I think he was in Cape Cod.
So what is the most widely believed reason behind taking the plane down?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:01 pm to 777Tiger
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yes, and their conclusions on AA587 are pretty suspect as well, too close to 9-11 to have it be anything other than pilot error
The FAA knows it was the fault of ATC. The plane was cleared to take off too soon after the one that took off before it. As a result, they got caught up in its jet wash, the pilot overcompensated, and they stalled out.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:02 pm to 777Tiger
Thats not the same as our government shooting down a plane 
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:03 pm to blackmouth
He was ridiculed and his news career was ended by his insistence that it was a missile.
There's a movie on Netflix right now. They don't mention him but they interview several former NTSB investigators that were directly involved in the investigation (one was on the NTSB team that testified before congress) that strongly imply a multi-agency coverup.
There's a movie on Netflix right now. They don't mention him but they interview several former NTSB investigators that were directly involved in the investigation (one was on the NTSB team that testified before congress) that strongly imply a multi-agency coverup.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:04 pm to fightin tigers
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Are you saying that you believe it was something different? If something mechanical why have we not seen more? If terrorism why has no one claimed it?
the facts do not support the NTSB findings, I fully believe that whatever caused the co-pilot to use the rudder inputs that he did, exploited the failure/faulty design of the rudder lockout system, I don't recall if there were any terrorist groups claiming responsibility, I'm saying there was evidence to support investigation down that avenue, but wasn't given consideration
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:10 pm to RollTide1987
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The FAA knows it was the fault of ATC. The plane was cleared to take off too soon after the one that took off before it. As a result, they got caught up in its jet wash, the pilot overcompensated, and they stalled out.
that's the party line
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She's been pretty much ostracized from ATC and does other things within the FAA. They hate her up in New England.
I kind of doubt that, ATC also has a kind of, "circle the wagons" mentality, and love to point the finger at every one else, but the decision to take off, after receiving clearance, is made by the Captain, "cleared for takeoff" is not an order
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:10 pm to bencoleman
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I always heard it was brought down to get at one man.
That just seems like a really stupid way to kill one person. Could blow up his car, poison him, or pull a fake robbery attempt that ends in murders.
With any of those instances, you only need one or two people involved. By shooting down or blowing up a big fcking plane, you kind of have to have a shitload of people involved in the execution and the cover up. Just seems very silly.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:12 pm to 777Tiger
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that's the party line
And it's a pretty logical one at that. They ran into the turbulence form the 747 heavy, he tried to use the rudders to stabilize the plane, and it stalled out on him. No terrorist group ever took responsibility for the disaster. It's very cut and dry.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:13 pm to 777Tiger
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the facts do not support the NTSB findings,
That's interesting. Always thought the consensus was that the pilot caused the issue and it was corroborated with plenty of data.
Just lack of belief in the industry that the pilot could stay within the design capabilities and still hurt the plane.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:18 pm to RollTide1987
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And it's a pretty logical one at that. They ran into the turbulence form the 747 heavy, he tried to use the rudders to stabilize the plane, and it stalled out on him. No terrorist group ever took responsibility for the disaster. It's very cut and dry.
I was actually about to edit my post when I saw the stalled out part. That was not part of the conclusion at all, the NTSB concluded that the FO's over input to the rudders caused the vertical stabilizer to separate, thus causing the crash. Not cut and dry, nor logical, from a pilots' standpoint.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:18 pm to fightin tigers
Didn't the vertical stabilizer actually separate from the airframe?
Side note...if you have seen the ACI episode on this crash on Youtube, the copilot (who was flying) on AA587 is the same actor they used on the episode about the Northwest crash at Detroit...killed the same actor twice.
Side note...if you have seen the ACI episode on this crash on Youtube, the copilot (who was flying) on AA587 is the same actor they used on the episode about the Northwest crash at Detroit...killed the same actor twice.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:28 pm to RollTide1987
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he tried to use the rudders to stabilize the plane, and it stalled out on him. No terrorist group ever took responsibility for the disaster. It's very cut and dry.
BTW: even if that were the case(stall,) you never use rudder to unload the wings for a low speed, low altitude stall
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:33 pm to beejon
Always thought the FBI agent, James Calstrom, was covering up something every time he was interviewed. He will probably take the truth to his grave.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:36 pm to notiger1997
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That just seems like a really stupid way to kill one person. Could blow up his car, poison him, or pull a fake robbery attempt that ends in murders.
With any of those instances, you only need one or two people involved. By shooting down or blowing up a big fcking plane, you kind of have to have a shitload of people involved in the execution and the cover up. Just seems very silly
I hate it too, a lot of innocent people died so they could get at one person. It doesn't make sense to me either. What counts is it made sense to them.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:39 pm to Easy
a military buddy told me that his best guess was friendly accidental fire from a sub that picked up a target that failed to identify timely
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