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re: Tulsa cop charged with first-degree manslaughter
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Yes because not obeying commands is not grounds for a shoot and kill.
This is the rare moment when the agenda-driven TANGERINE is right.
While the guy who was shot was obviously stupid, him walking away and trying to reach in his vehicle is defensive resistance at most... Pepper spray, an ASP, taser, or any other intermediate weapon would have been the limit of the response allowed.
Of course, that's in a perfect world with no gray area... but, if he didn't have a weapon or any way to commit deadly force assault, deadly force on her part isn't warranted.
Never would've happened though if that dumbass just listened... that's the part all of the "activists" like to leave out.
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Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:10 pm to OweO
quote:Correct. But if that someone shoots me without reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm (in most jurisdictions), they are likely going to get arrested and charged. As they should.
If someone has a gun pointed at you, its really not a good idea to disobey their command, whether or not if that person is a police officer.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:11 pm to Ash Williams
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Great, now can they stop with the fricking protests and get back to work?
No riots, not mass protests in the streets here in Tulsa during this process.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:11 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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No needle boy. Her pulling the trigger caused his death. Let me give you a law lesson while we are at it. Disobeying lawful commands has never been grounds for shooting and killing someone. At least not in the USA. You might do better in North Korea.
I was on your side until this. You are absolutely wrong. When the situation is life and death as in the cops have their gun pulled on you, then not obeying is grounds for being shot.
If the window was not down, what other reason does he have to walk to the drivers side of his car? If there is no reason, than that is just testament that he was acting delusional or on drugs.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:12 pm to The Egg
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you think she would be charged if there wasn't an outcry?
Sure- it's happened plenty of times before- and that is completely regardless of race.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:12 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Every cop in Tulsa should turn in their resignation immediately.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:12 pm to The Egg
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you think she would be charged if there wasn't an outcry?
Like the Tulsa cop that got 4 years for manslaughter earlier this year? I forgot about all the publicity and the huge outcry that got him charged.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:13 pm to tgrbaitn08
And here we go
2 completely different situations but again, facts don't really matter.
Question: Were police notified only because of a stalled vehicle?
If that is that case why would a chopper have been flying over & why did he have to put his hands up?
Seems to me that if he was broke down they wouldn't have went through all that.
(Haven't followed the story)
quote:
Tulsa charged the officer in less than a week. We are approaching 90 days in Baton Rouge. This shows you the leadership we elected in Baton Rouge and how they feel about police murder. Hillar Moore could've done something before now.
2 completely different situations but again, facts don't really matter.
Question: Were police notified only because of a stalled vehicle?
If that is that case why would a chopper have been flying over & why did he have to put his hands up?
Seems to me that if he was broke down they wouldn't have went through all that.
(Haven't followed the story)
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:13 pm to baldona
quote:frick no it isn't. WTF? It may be a foreseeable consequence, but it isn't grounds for it.
When the situation is life and death as in the cops have their gun pulled on you, then not obeying is grounds for being shot.
quote:Neither are justifiable reasons to be killed.
If there is no reason, than that is just testament that he was acting delusional or on drugs.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:13 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:It's sad when you have to include this in your post because you're so full of shite and everyone knows it.
Serious question
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:13 pm to CENLALSUFAN
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:15 pm to OweO
quote:
TULSA, Okla. (AP) --
A- Prosecutors in Tulsa, Oklahoma, charged a white police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man on a city street with first-degree manslaughter Thursday.
B - Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charges against officer Betty Shelby, who shot and killed 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on Sept. 16.
The fact that they put sentence "A" in front of sentence "B" or even felt that sentence "A" was necessary to the story at all shows the absurdity in today's media.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:18 pm to DoUrden
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No riots, not mass protests in the streets here in Tulsa during this process.
Well, there may be some on the Northside, be hard to tell if it was over this or just another day in that part of town though.
Decades ago the local news stopped covering what goes on in Little Beirut (that's what TPD and Oklahoma Highway Patrol used to call North Tulsa). Tulsa was one of the first cities to realize reporting all the crime and other negatives of the ghetto's was detrimental to development and investment in those areas and simply ceased all coverage of anything that could be construed as negative (including wildfires, tornado damage, flooding other than, "oh yeah, btw, natural disaster hit, now back to Biff with sports").
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:19 pm to zsav77
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While the guy who was shot was obviously stupid, him walking away and trying to reach in his vehicle is defensive resistance at most... Pepper spray, an ASP, taser, or any other intermediate weapon would have been the limit of the response allowed.
I think what is left out of this thread and Tangerine is ignoring is the cop stopped and observed the guy both intoxicated and reaching in his pants for something. He then goes to the open window of the truck to reach for something despite being repeatedly ordered to stop.
Cop's Story
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:20 pm to zsav77
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if he didn't have a weapon or any way to commit deadly force assault
That's just it! How is she supposed to know what he has in there? If that was you and your adrenaline was pumping because you have a gun pointed at another human and he is refusing to obey your orders which put both you and him in danger...would you honestly wait and see what he pulls out of that window before you decide whether or not to shoot? You sir, have HUGE balls. Me...my life is worth more than that and I'm protecting myself. Sorry, I'm not going to get killed just because I'm afraid of what internet forums will think of me.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:20 pm to saint tiger225
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So she gets charged for manslaughter when he wasn't obeying lawful commands? Interesting.
Edited to change to manslaughter since OP is a dick that didn't even include link. "I have to be first to post this on TD.com. Ooooohh em geeee". Idiot
So not obeying commands means you should be killed? If that's the case why do we have prisions and give out speeding tickets?
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:20 pm to PearlJam
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Do a reasonable threat assessment, be prepared to react to a real threat, don't kill someone over an assumed threat. That's part of the difficult job of being a police officer. It is the high responsibility that comes with the authority.
Have an upvote. Sucks in some situations it has to be like that but its true. Have to rely on your training that when you identify they actually have a weapon that you can make an accurate shot
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:21 pm to 504ByrdGang
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So not obey commands means you should be killed? If that's the case why do we have prisions and give out speeding tickets?
Are these serious questions?
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