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Today is the 160th anniversary of the bloodiest day in American history...

Posted on 9/17/22 at 6:47 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 6:47 am
The Battle of Antietam.

Waged near the small town of Sharpsburg, Maryland on September 17, 1862, between the Army of Northern Virginia (Robert E. Lee commanding) and the Army of the Potomac (George B. McClellan commanding), the battle was the climax of Lee's 1862 Maryland Campaign. Sites such as the Cornfield, the West Woods, Bloody Lane, and Burnside's Bridge became synonymous with bloodshed.

In roughly 14 hours of combat, some 22,700 Americans would fall killed and wounded. The battle itself was a stalemate and Robert E. Lee would be forced to retreat back into Virginia after losing a third of his army in the fighting. Lincoln would use this retreat as the impetus to announce the Emancipation Proclamation, which transformed the American Civil War from a war about preserving the Union to a war about the destruction of slavery.

September 17, 1862, remains the bloodiest day in American history.





This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 6:48 am
Posted by doublecutter
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 6:52 am to
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The Battle of Antietam


As a Son of the South, I call it Sharpsburg.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:01 am to
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As a Son of the South, I call it Sharpsburg.


Few Confederate veterans even referred to the battle as Sharpsburg after the war.
Posted by doublecutter
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:03 am to
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Few Confederate veterans even referred to the battle as Sharpsburg after the war.


And you know this how?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:08 am to
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And you know this how?


Their writings.

When you read the battle reports of Confederate officers before Gettysburg, they refer to Antietam as Sharpsburg. However, after the aforementioned Gettysburg, you see more and more start referring to Sharpsburg as Antietam - probably because they were trying to differentiate between the two.

In the early post-war period, you see them move liberally between calling the battle Sharpsburg and Antietam, but as the years wound on, you see Sharpsburg appear less and less in the literature put out by Confederate veterans.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:09 am to
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As a Son of the South, I call it Sharpsburg.



Generally how it was taught when I was young.
Posted by Sammobile
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:20 am to
Respect to all the brave union soldiers fighting for America.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11329 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:34 am to
That area from Antietam to Gettysburg is so peaceful and beautiful.

It’s really disconcerting to stand in the Dunker Farm and realize the scale of the slaughter that happened in such an innocent place.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:36 am to
One of my electives at the Army War College was to do a staff ride of the Antietam battlefield. My role was to serve as General Jackson for the Confederate forces. Just an incredible experience.

Have some pretty well defined opinions on what would have happened to our country had the Union decisively won that day (which they should have handily).
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:52 am to
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Have some pretty well defined opinions on what would have happened to our country had the Union decisively won that day (which they should have handily).


I think we both do.

Every West Point graduate on the field that day had been taught about the desire to win a single battle of decision. Few battles were set up to provide such an outcome quite like the Battle of Antietam. For all the talk about Robert E. Lee's military genius, he definitely blundered in choosing the ground to make his stand in Maryland. Had it been any opposing general not named McClellan, there is little doubt in my mind that the war in the Virginia theater ends in September 1862 instead of April 1865.

Few generals in history have been confronted with the opportunity McClellan had before him when Lee's center collapsed. He had roughly 20,000 men in reserve waiting to exploit just such a breach but decided to hold them back because he was operating under the assumption that Lee heavily outnumbered him and that he was probably being led into a trap by his opposite number.

Had he sent those men into the breach, the war is over that day.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:54 am to
Wypipo racist
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:04 am to
Look at all that white privilege laying dead to end slavery.


To think a short 160 years later, white men are now demonized.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:07 am to
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Had he sent those men into the breach, the war is over that day.
In my opinion, yes. Absolutely. And (unfortunately) slavery continues in the South because of the swift and decisive victory.

And because it continues (again, my opinion) we fight another American Civil War a few decades later (if even that long).
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27991 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:13 am to
Just to show how screwed up a country we are, McClellan screws up the Peninsula campaign, sort of screws up Antietam, and he is still a nominee for President of the United States and garners significant votes in the election even as Grant and Sherman are rolling up the Confederates in the Western theatre.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:16 am to
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Posted by Lsudx256
DFW
Member since Mar 2016
2911 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:17 am to
January 6 was 160 years ago. shite. Time flies. MSM says that was the bloodiest day in our dark, racist, colonized history.
Posted by Fat and Happy
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:18 am to
What’s sad is that most that doesn’t there weren’t even over 18 years old
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:29 am to
The preliminary Emancipation Proclamation was not signed until September 22nd, 1862.

Letter to Horace Greeley, August 22nd, 1862
quote:

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.

President Lincoln was not an abolitionist, he was a pragmatist. An ardent, committed Unionist. Though he found slavery repugnant if it was necessary to peacefully end the war he would have (in my opinion) continued to permit it. He had no inherent authority to end it across the Nation. The Emancipation Proclamation was a war time measure to address slavery in those states that were in rebellion.
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:30 am to
God Bless The South
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9670 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:27 am to
I like the South. One of my forefathers was a General in the Confederate Army.

However, when viewed through today's lens the South was absolutely wrong and in ways is still paying for it today unfortunately.
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