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re: To what extent would LSU be more prestigious if it were in a safer location?

Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:08 am to
Posted by shiphascomein
Member since May 2015
111 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:08 am to
LSU grad here, but actively persuaded my kid to go to college out of state. BR crime problems was one of the main reasons. He is a smart kid and got a very good scholarship out of state, but its still more expensive than it would have been had he gone to LSU. Another reason is, since he is smart, going out of state gives him a better shot of not moving back to Louisiana after school. We genuinely want him to live somewhere else besides Louisiana.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11247 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:10 am to
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LSU grad here, but actively persuaded my kid to go to college out of state. BR crime problems was one of the main reasons. He is a smart kid and got a very good scholarship out of state, but its still more expensive than it would have been had he gone to LSU. Another reason is, since he is smart, going out of state gives him a better shot of not moving back to Louisiana after school. We genuinely want him to live somewhere else besides Louisiana.


I have a 16 year old, and we’re in the same boat. She doesn’t really want to go to LSU, but I’d encourage her to go elsewhere regardless. You get stuck in this area with family, and it’s hard to leave.
Posted by shiphascomein
Member since May 2015
111 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:11 am to
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I've met a handful of people who have chosen to send their kids to ULL, Tech, private, or an out of state school because of Baton Rouge's high crime rate.

This isn’t true lol

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It is absolutely true for my son. BR crime, and specifically knowing Tigerland is where the kids hang out.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7921 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:18 am to
It's pretty easy to get into LSU. They basically set a new freshman enrollment record every year.
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
16179 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:20 am to
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I've met a handful of people who have chosen to send their kids to ULL, Tech, private, or an out of state school because of Baton Rouge's high crime rate.



Those people are idiots and their kids most likely are as well.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
17299 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:21 am to
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How would that be different from any other year? I'm just saying that there's a noticeable uptick in kids choosing to stay in-state but not at LSU.


Do we have the data that shows this phenomenon is happening at a higher rate this year than years prior or is this just anecdotal evidence?

I have heard from some parents than LSU seemingly isn't recruiting students from the local areas as hard as they have before so that could be a factor. But my kid is far from college age and I'm far removed from college myself so I haven't really kept my finger on the pulse of the situation admittedly. Now I'm kind of genuinely curious.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
932 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:22 am to
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Also, see NYU and UCLA amomg others


UCLA is in Westwood, sandwiched in between Bel Air, Beverly Hills, and Brentwood.

NYU is in Greenwich Village in Lower Manhattan.

Both are in very good areas.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 9:24 am
Posted by Shingo
Louisiana, USA
Member since Sep 2010
3867 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:24 am to
My daughter chose Tech but it had 0 to do with crime rate. To say that she couldn’t get into LSU is simply ridiculous. She likes it there so we’re happy
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68811 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:27 am to
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USC is in a rough part of LA and is very prestigious


ehh tell that to the people that cant get high enough paying jobs to pay those student loans they got to go to a private school.




Posted by meltingman
Member since Jun 2017
74 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:34 am to
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You know LSU fell off a cliff when graduates of a degree like ChemE might need to consider taking the EIT after the FE to show competency. Like WTF was I learning the past 4 yrs.


What is the difference between EIT and FE?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16439 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:43 am to
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Don’t you automatically get in LSU if you have a 2.5 or higher in HS?

Depends on what boxes you check.

They still have a 25% rejection rate, but I don't know how many of those rejected did not qualify due to HS GPA or ACT scores.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26860 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:48 am to
I don't think it has a major affect, but it has some affect.

I have always thought it was a travesty that LSU did not buy up all of the property around campus over the last 30 years, or at least encourage developers to do so.

There is no reason a flagship school in a capital city should be surrounded by a ghetto.

LSU also has failed to use its political power to cause change in Baton Rouge. There is no entity more powerful than LSU in the city of Baton Rouge. LSU could move mountains if it chose.

Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8246 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:49 am to
I think it has a very low effect on the academics. The problem with LSU is their admission requirements are lower than most SEC schools and they are now invested in diversity over perfromance.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3370 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:49 am to
“ LSU is in the bottom half of the bottom half”


Meh, the ability to earn a living is more important than an academic ranking by US News.

Early Career Earnings (Graduates w/ Bachelor's Degree):

1. Texas A&M University $66,000

2. Vanderbilt University $64,400

3. University of Florida $55,800

4. LSU $54,800

5. Auburn University $54,400

5. University of Georgia $54,400

7. University of Arkansas $52,500

8. University of Missouri $52,300

8. University of Alabama $52,300

10. University of Kentucky $51,700

11. Mississippi State University $51,100

11. University of Tennessee $51,100

13. University of South Carolina $50,300

14. University of Mississippi $48,500

Mid-Career Earnings (Graduates w/ Bachelor's Degree):

1. Vanderbilt University $119,100

2. Texas A&M University $115,700

3. Auburn University $104,500

4. LSU $102,900

5. University of Florida $102,800

6. University of Georgia $100,700

7. University of Missouri $98,600

8. University of Arkansas $98,000

9. University of Alabama $97,400

10. University of Kentucky $96,400

11. University of Tennessee $95,100

12. Mississippi State University $94,100

13. University of South Carolina $89,900 *

14. University of Mississippi $89,100

*Numbers cited from College Salary Report 2019. Pay has increased but rankings from 2023 similar.

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This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 3:18 pm
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33941 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:54 am to
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Has more to do with F King. He destroyed LSU's academic ranking.


The two biggest factors in the USNWR rankings are (1) peer assessment (which is purely reputational ie total BS) and (2) four-year graduation rates.

For some reason, it appears that LSU's graduation rate plummeted to 47%. Whether that is because of F. King or some other underlying cause, IDK. But 47% will make you drop, for sure. Obviously, that's fewer students graduating than not graduating. Not great.
Posted by DrrTiger
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2023
361 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:09 am to
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For some reason, it appears that LSU's graduation rate plummeted to 47%


That tends to happen when you place a priority on admitting under qualified students who check DEI boxes.
Posted by yallgood
Franklinton
Member since Jan 2018
827 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:14 am to
Not specifically related but I drove north Airline above Florida for the first time in twenty years this weekend. Wow! just Wow!
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
20391 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:24 am to
LSU will hold a place in my heart forever, as will it with everyone in my family. My wife and I are both LSU alums, currently live in BR and attend LSU sporting events on the reg. But a growing part of the friends we've all met from our school community are starting to send their kids away from BR as they age into their college years. I've done as much in the interim to explain to my kids what I hope for them in the future, specifically mentioning how I do not want them to grow roots in this city. My wife and I plan to leave here (for the most part) once the kids have all left the nest. With our extended family continuing to remain here, we'll never leave BR "for good" I'd say, but I intend to spend the majority of my time somewhere else if for anything, my own longevity and health.

My oldest is in 7th grade so where I'm at right now, it's really easy to say these things before grappling with the idea of him being in school somewhere out-of-state. Wherever he chooses, hopefully we'll have the means to stay somewhat close. I will do what I can to keep my family unit together through the years and being able to go wherever we need to will help that, barring any financial inabilities.. I will have similar goals for the other kids and making sure we're all able to reconvene at nearby places will be the ultimate achievement.

Louisiana has been very good to us as far as work/family and I'll never forget it. The state, this city, this university, and my local friend base will always be loved. But I gotta get the next generation out of here. It's really turning into a shithole.

Just look around you. Look at the litter, the cars, the violent crime, the roads, the lack of license plates/abundance of temp tags, the increasing lack of police presence, the empty storefronts, the bums, the beggars...

Where can we go? What's on the other side of the rainbow? I dunno, but it's gonna be somewhere other than here.
Posted by Flightnclouds
Member since Sep 2018
1104 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:34 am to
Louisiana has one of the lowest academic rankings in the country. Who would have thought that a college with most students from that state would not be prestigious.
Posted by shiphascomein
Member since May 2015
111 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:41 am to
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I've met a handful of people who have chosen to send their kids to ULL, Tech, private, or an out of state school because of Baton Rouge's high crime rate.



Those people are idiots and their kids most likely are as well.


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Let me get this straight. You are saying I am an idiot, as is my son?

I graduated from LSU close to 30 years ago, and then went on to get a doctorate. I have lived in Louisiana my whole life and make well, well into 6 figures. My son got a 31 on the ACT and got a very good scholarship to an out of state, large SEC school. The decision to not go to LSU was motivated by a long term desire (both his and ours) for him to NOT live in Louisiana. He has seen enough to know that other places present a better opportunity, and a better long term quality of life. Also, there is no doubt BR crime affects LSU students, and the ineptitude of the people running BR show that they don't really care. Ask Allie Rice's parents....

I guess if an 18 year old making life decisions based on those kind of metrics makes him (and his parents) an idiot in your mind, then I will take that charge....
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