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Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:32 pm to SEClint
quote:Of course not
Thoughts on Public Execution?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:37 pm to UpToPar
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Sure, but it's effectiveness as a deterrent is not non-existent right? I mean, it has to deter some crime.
Maybe some. I have a hard time imagining the deterrent effect being great enough to outweigh the burden the death penalty places on the taxpayers. That's not even going into the morality of it or the fact that innocent people will inevitably be executed - which is completely and utterly unacceptable.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:40 pm to lsu2006
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The death penalty is one of the most inefficient and costly elements of our entire criminal justice system.
You're doing it wrong then!
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:41 pm to SEClint
All for it.
Performed by the victim's family.
Performed by the victim's family.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:42 pm to lsu2006
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I have a hard time imagining the deterrent effect being great enough to outweigh the burden the death penalty places on the taxpayers.
I'm not interested in this at the moment.
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That's not even going into the morality of it or the fact that innocent people will inevitably be executed - which is completely and utterly unacceptable.
This is what I'm getting at. If the deterrent effect of the death penalty, no matter how small, deters the killing of more people than will be wrongly executed, doesn't it have a net positive? If we are concerned about the taking of innocent lives, then shouldn't we favor the death penalty as long as it prevents more innocent killings than it causes?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:43 pm to SEClint
I support it, if it's in the style of Gladiator combat and fights to the death.
There's a reason the Angola prison rodeo is so awesome
There's a reason the Angola prison rodeo is so awesome
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:47 pm to UpToPar
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This is what I'm getting at. If the deterrent effect of the death penalty, no matter how small, deters the killing of more people than will be wrongly executed, doesn't it have a net positive? If we are concerned about the taking of innocent lives, then shouldn't we favor the death penalty as long as it prevents more innocent killings than it causes?
I definitely buy your logic. I'm of the opinion that being wrongly killed by your own government is a far worse evil than by the actions of a private citizen.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:48 pm to lsufan1971
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Whatever people might think the Death Penalty isn't a deterrent to murder. It's also a political tool for District Attorneys to use during election years to make people think they are tough on crime. For every person on Death Row at Angola there are 25 guys in population that did just as bad or worse shite that the guys on DR.
I'm not for the death penalty only because of the impossibility of being %100 correct on verdicts, but the real laugh to me about all punishment is that it's a deterrent. I really don't care about deterring crime, I'm interested in retribution case by case.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:49 pm to SEClint
That's how it still should be. Rope up all the major criminals in the middle of the city
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:53 pm to SEClint
I don't want my wife or son to see that shite and I, quite frankly, don't want to see it either. It didn't deter people then and it wouldn't now. Criminals are all convinced that they won't get caught.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:56 pm to lsu2006
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I'm of the opinion that being wrongly killed by your own government is a far worse evil than by the actions of a private citizen.
I agree with you. But, I also think that at some point, the killings that are deterred far outweigh any innocent executions. 1437 people have been executed in the last 40 years. If we assume that 1 in 100 were wrongly tried, convicted, and executed, then roughly 14 people over 40 years have been wrongly killed (even without the death penalty, these people would have rotted in jail). I have a hard time believing that the death penalty hasn't deterred at least 14 killings in 40 years.
What if it has deterred twice that number? what if it has deterred quadruple? Isn't there a point in which the death penalty results in a net positive?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:05 pm to UpToPar
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What if it has deterred twice that number? what if it has deterred quadruple? Isn't there a point in which the death penalty results in a net positive?
It could be 100x that number. What if your kid is the innocent executed.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:05 pm to SEClint
On the weekends I volunteer at the shelter here euthanizing puppies.
Would love for this to come back and get a call up to the majors.
Would love for this to come back and get a call up to the majors.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:10 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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It could be 100x that number. What if your kid is the innocent executed.
What if your kid was the victim of a murder that might have been deterred by the death penalty?
Let's think of the alternative here. If my kid is wrongly convicted of a crime punishable by death, but the death penalty is abolished, then my kid still rots in prison for the rest of their life. Is this somehow better?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:12 pm to UpToPar
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There's no real way to put a number on these, but let's just say that in the past 20 years, 5 innocent people have been sentenced to death and actually have been killed. Do you think the death penalty is so inefficient as a deterrent that in that same 20 year period, it hasn't deterred the killing of 5 innocent people?
I am guessing you fall in the 1st category of being ok with killing the occasional innocent person.
Call me naïve but there's no way you convince me that killing innocent people serves a greater good.
It's literally that exact mentality that lead people to believe in the final solution.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:19 pm to biglego
quote:If I kill a bug/rodent in my house I leave it outside the front door as a warning to the other bugs/rodents
If we're going to have capital punishment then they should be done in Public. As a warning
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:23 pm to SEClint
serves no purpose just like execution but if we must execute give the family of the victim the chance to pick the way to execute and let them do it gun gasoline and a match pull their teeth with pliers beat them to death with a pipe wrench hold their head under water any thing the family wants let them deliver it.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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Absolutely in favor. If we had that, more criminals would be like "oh...damn. Well I sure don't want that.."
It'd be a hell of a crime deterrent IMO.
It never worked that way before. Pickpockets worked the crowd at British executions when pickpocketing was a capital offense in the UIK.
For all you harasses who think this is a great idea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Islamic State are waiting for you. You can watch public executions to your heart's content.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:28 pm to lsu2006
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The death penalty is one of the most inefficient and costly elements of our entire criminal justice system.
1 bullet, 1 dollar... efficient and cheap
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