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re: The Mongols knew how to deal with Islam
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:30 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:30 am to OMLandshark
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I think that is the worst thing to ever happen to their religion.
or Wahhabism
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:32 am to Cdawg
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or Wahhabism
their sauce is really spicy!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:35 am to terd ferguson
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Do you people even read about history or just make shite up as you go?
One of the things that has always cracked me up about this site. History to many people on here is whatever they read in a thread. People like the Landshark dude have an agenda, and will state something as though it is a fact, when in actuality, it's not. It's something he read on some other site, where some jackass said something that he heard from someone else.
Then, many people on here read it, assume it's fact, then will use it and start threads. Suddenly, it's assumed to be true.
Thankfully, there are a few people like you that will call them out on it.
But normally, the people who have the same agenda as Landshark will only recall what he said as truth.
ETA: He went back and edited his original post. His incorrect statement has been removed.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:39 am to Festus
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hen, many people on here read it, assume it's fact, then will use it and start threads. Suddenly, it's assumed to be true.
I'm amazed at how common this shite is now. And they will argue it with anyone as fact.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:47 am to fr33manator
His mongols podcast was amazing. Listened to it a few times.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:52 am to fr33manator
We're applauding this?
Without that destruction of Baghdad the Islamic world might have already achieved the Enlightenment it so desperately needs, and perhaps Muslims might not have their prevailing hostile and defensive attitudes toward outsiders.
Without that destruction of Baghdad the Islamic world might have already achieved the Enlightenment it so desperately needs, and perhaps Muslims might not have their prevailing hostile and defensive attitudes toward outsiders.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:55 am to Rex
And perhaps monkeys might fly out of my anus.
Perhaps.
Perhaps.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:11 am to Rex
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We're applauding this?
Without that destruction of Baghdad the Islamic world might have already achieved the Enlightenment it so desperately needs, and perhaps Muslims might not have their prevailing hostile and defensive attitudes toward outsiders.
So we would all be Muslims
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:21 am to Darth_Vader
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You do realize that Islamic forces attacked Christendom in both the Middle East and invaded Europe before any Crusade was ever launched. right?
I'm well versed in history. I'm saying they are mostly on the same level, but I'll give the Islamic world a few more points simply due to Baghdad. Christians put anyone to the sword who didn't agree with them at the time.
For all the down votes I've gotten, please explain to me that if Rome and Paris were as brutally sacked by the Mongols how the Christian world would have faired better than the Muslim world did in the long run? We're fortunate they didn't make it that far.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:22 am to fr33manator
How did they get that picture from way back then?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:27 am to VOLhalla
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No one ever said that it was. Can you make an argument that ANY major religion was peaceful at that time?
So what? Prior to the sacking of Baghdad there existed a major Islamic state that was much less backwards than what followed. A great city and a lot of knowledge were lost and Islam became much more fundamentalist. The world is a worse place today because of the fall of Baghdad.
This is all I'm really trying to say. They were both backwards as frick and not peaceful at the time, but knowledge was at least prized at one corner of the Islamic world at the time when it wasn't anywhere else in Europe. The world is a much worse place because of the Sack of Baghdad, and I shutter to think if they had made it to Western Europe or Italy how the world would be today.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:28 am to OMLandshark
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For all the down votes I've gotten, please explain to me that if Rome and Paris were as brutally sacked by the Mongols how the Christian world would have faired better than the Muslim world did in the long run? We're fortunate they didn't make it that far.
What's funny is you sound as though you were unaware that Muslims did in fact make it to Rome and tried to sack the city.
LINK
(BTW, this was over 200 years before the first Crusade.)
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:31 am to fr33manator
If you ever opened a book, you'd know the Mongols were the first group to practice complete religious freedom and that there were thousands of Christian and Muslim Mongols. Their conqueroring of the Mid East was more economic than anything else.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:37 am to fr33manator
It always amazes me that a bunch of grownups will argue over who's make believe sky father is the more righteous god.
All religions are bad. At some point in history nearly all the major religions have taken part in a holy war of some sort.
Too call Islam any more violent or hateful than Christianity is completely ridiculous. Just because the Christians cherry pick the parts of the bible that they like does not mean their book is anymore bonkers than the Koran.
All religions are bad. At some point in history nearly all the major religions have taken part in a holy war of some sort.
Too call Islam any more violent or hateful than Christianity is completely ridiculous. Just because the Christians cherry pick the parts of the bible that they like does not mean their book is anymore bonkers than the Koran.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:41 am to Barf
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Too call Islam any more violent or hateful than Christianity is completely ridiculous.
Are you serious right now?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:45 am to Darth_Vader
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Are you serious right now?
100% serious. How is it any different? The bible commands it's followers to kill gay people by stoning. Is that somehow less crazy than Jihad?
We should all be thankful that the christians don't follow their book to the letter. If they followed it as closely as Islam follows the Koran, we would all be fricked.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:47 am to Festus
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of the things that has always cracked me up about this site. History to many people on here is whatever they read in a thread. People like the Landshark dude have an agenda, and will state something as though it is a fact, when in actuality, it's not. It's something he read on some other site, where some jackass said something that he heard from someone else.
Then, many people on here read it, assume it's fact, then will use it and start threads. Suddenly, it's assumed to be true.
Ok, please tell me where I'm wrong. I admit that Islam invaded other places, but Christianity was also busy conquering all of Europe and putting people to the sword for it. The Islamic World at the time at least had a citadel of free thought, which wasn't the case for Europe.
And don't act like I'm pro-Islam, since I'm certainly one of the more vocal opponents of it on this site.
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ETA: He went back and edited his original post. His incorrect statement has been removed.
I think I added "The Islamic World has yet to recover from the Siege" or something like that. I didn't take out anything from my previous post.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:54 am to Darth_Vader
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What's funny is you sound as though you were unaware that Muslims did in fact make it to Rome and tried to sack the city.
LINK
(BTW, this was over 200 years before the first Crusade.)
Not even in the same ballpark as the Siege of Baghdad. They didn't burn everything to the ground and kill every last man, woman, and child. They didn't destroy all knowledge accumulated over thousands of years. They didn't salt all their land for hundreds of miles.
Obviously Muhammad was a war lord, so I'm not remotely saying they're peaceful people (especially in the 800s), but please stop sweeping Christianity's other crimes under the rug simply because they're the home team.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:55 am to OMLandshark
Afghanistan used to be hip as recently as the 60's
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:58 am to Langston
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I'm amazed at how common this shite is now. And they will argue it with anyone as fact.
You got that right. And, the only way to beat them is to go full blown retard on their arse.
What about those fricking idiots that go out in left field with every response.
#1 It's sickening that the federal government gets 28% of my money. $28,000 of the $100,000 that I make goes to federal income tax. Don't you think that's ridiculous?
#2 You aren't actually paying $28,000. 28% is your marginal rate; your effective rate is lower. So, it's not as ridiculous as you might think.
#1 I pay 28% like I'm supposed to. I'm not a leech and always pay my taxes. When I was young, my daddy worked 60 hours a week to provide for my family, and I had to walk 3 miles to get to school. Now, these kids don't know what hard work is. These illegal immigrants are taking all our jobs.
See, I told you I was right. It's ridiculous.
That shite drives me fricking crazy.
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