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re: The Mongols knew how to deal with Islam
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:19 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:19 pm to fr33manator
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Islam was by no means peaceful at that point. read the histories. The intellectualism in that are was due to it's proximity to earlier civilizations and infrastructure, essentially, Not Islam.
All of these things could apply equally to Christianity, and these applications would be equally misleading.
But why bother learnin someone who knows everything, because they've read "the histories"? What histories, exactly?
Besides, the whole point of Dan Carlin's podcast is that the Mongols aren't role models in any sense.
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:31 pm to Rex
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Without that destruction of Baghdad the Islamic world might have already achieved the Enlightenment it so desperately needs, and perhaps Muslims might not have their prevailing hostile and defensive attitudes toward outsiders.
BS, their religion calls for the world to become believers of islam, die , or be slaves. They will do this through Violence or through population takeover.
Some want to spread islam through peace and others through caliphate. Nothing in history would change that. Not the slaughtering from the Mongols nor the crusades have stopped their desire to see Islam spread.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:37 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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BS, their religion calls for the world to become believers of islam, die , or be slaves. They will do this through Violence or through population takeover.
I got bad news for you, most major religious say the same shite.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:42 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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BS, their religion calls for the world to become believers of islam, die , or be slaves. They will do this through Violence or through population takeover.
False.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:45 pm to Bayou Sam
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False.
It's written in their holy books and their religious leaders speak about it on video... but it's totally false.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:48 pm to Barf
I see that you are listening well to the dogma taught in your college classroom.
What major religion other than Islam says this?
Christianity - no
Hindu - no
Shintu - no
Judaism - no
Surely you can cite the teachings that tell these people to go out and make believers in their religion, be made slaves, pay a tax, or die.
Waiting
What major religion other than Islam says this?
Christianity - no
Hindu - no
Shintu - no
Judaism - no
Surely you can cite the teachings that tell these people to go out and make believers in their religion, be made slaves, pay a tax, or die.
Waiting
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:48 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
My personal favorite
This one is cute too
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Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt...
This one is cute too
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If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray...
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:48 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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BS, their religion calls for the world to become believers of islam, die , or be slaves. They will do this through Violence or through population takeover.
Some want to spread islam through peace and others through caliphate. Nothing in history would change that. Not the slaughtering from the Mongols nor the crusades have stopped their desire to see Islam spread.
I agree that Osama Bin Laden's interpretation of the Quran is a completely viable interpretation of the words and message of Muhammad. I don't think Christians from the Middle Ages have any excuses for their brutal actions since it's painfully obvious Jesus would be against killing people because they didn't believe in him. Clearly they let other motivations than purely religious ones get in the way.
That said, I can only think that the Islamic world still having a central location of progressivism could only help and not hurt their culture in the long run. Sadly that is no longer present in the Islamic World.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:49 pm to terd ferguson
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It's written in their holy books
...where?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:49 pm to OMLandshark
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I don't think Christians from the Middle Ages have any excuses for their brutal actions
Other than defending Europe from further Arab invasion and protecting Christians in the Middle East?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:50 pm to Dick Leverage
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Christianity - no
Dude, have you read the bible?
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Surely you can cite the teachings that tell these people to go out and make believers in their religion, be made slaves, pay a tax, or die.
Waiting
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:51 pm to Darth_Vader
The explicit reason for the Crusades was to protect pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:52 pm to Darth_Vader
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Other than defending Europe from further Arab invasion and protecting Christians in the Middle East?
I'm thinking more on the lines of them conquering tribes of Europe during the Dark Ages and saying that Jesus would have wanted that.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:57 pm to Bayou Sam
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The explicit reason for the Crusades was to protect pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land.
Yes. And protect the Christian populations who were already there.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:57 pm to fr33manator
And to think Islam could have developed into a peaceful religion if George W Bush hadn't sent Cheney back in time to trick the Mongols into attacking Baghdad. 
Bush's fault.
Bush's fault.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 1:11 pm to Barf
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They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Boom
Darth being schooled again, nothing to see here.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 1:14 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yes. And protect the Christian populations who were already there.
Come on man, do you really believe the crusades were about protecting christians only and not proselytizing?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 1:21 pm to PygmalionEffect
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Boom
Darth being schooled again, nothing to see here.
You're quoting an Old Testament Scripture that predates Christianity and Islam both by centuries and has nothing to do with either. How is that schooling me?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 1:21 pm to VOLhalla
So were making excuses for Islamic/Muslim Terrorists now? Give me a fricking break!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 1:26 pm to fr33manator
What new episode is available??
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