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re: The militarization of the police: Cops justify by calling USA "War Zone"

Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:49 am to
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:49 am to
Mad? Neither.

Both are accurate representations of the idiocy that is steering this ship.

I understand why, look how unsafe this all is. FEMA camps, the Chinese are coming, and guns and porn are next.


WaaaaaaaaaaaaRRRRRRRRRRR
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:49 am to
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I take it you been to FLETC


I have been there and it is awesome.

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Did you go with any AFOSI guys if you did?


No. I am not sure what that acronym stands for. Air Force Special Agents?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125436 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:50 am to
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Bingo. There are major metro SWAT teams that receive a high level of specialized training and I would assume are qualified to operate this type of equipment effectively.



Yea the ex military guys who get into this stuff or the special selected cops its not an issue. Big City swat and federal agencies have some high speed and tough to get into tactical teams.

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The local smokies that dress up in nomex jumpsuits and vests once every two weeks have no business having some of these items in their inventory.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125436 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:51 am to
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No. I am not sure what that acronym stands for. Air Force Special Agents?



Yea pretty much thats it

Im thinking about cross training into that. I want to do counter terrorism type stuff.
Posted by JohnZeroQ
Pelicans of Lafourche
Member since Jan 2012
8514 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:52 am to
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Both are accurate representations of the idiocy that is steering this ship.
I cannot argue that. Seems we generally agree.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28263 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:53 am to
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The local smokies that dress up in nomex jumpsuits and vests once every two weeks have no business having some of these items in their inventory.


Every podunk town has a SWAT vehicle for when Ernie gets likkered up and beats up Thelma Lou.


AR-15s, flashbangs, MRAPs, it gets more ridiculous by the day.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10053 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:03 am to
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AR-15s, flashbangs, MRAPs, it gets more ridiculous by the day.

Do you expect them to execute a Corgi with a handgun when raiding the wrong house to seize $50,000 in drugs while leveraging $200,000 in resources?
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29399 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:05 am to
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AR-15s, flashbangs, MRAPs, it gets more ridiculous by the day.


Thats my point. Everything I've ever seen or read about professional SWAT/CT teams puts the emphasis on drills and training nonstop. Those guys play like they practice.
Would you want your life in the hands of guys that practice once a month?

Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:26 am to
Posted by TigerFred
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Member since Aug 2003
27179 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:30 am to


Speedy,

When are you going to get one of those to ride around and check for out of date brake tags?
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:31 am to
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Speedy,

When are you going to get one of those to ride around and check for out of date brake tags?


When he joins the Marines.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15048 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:35 am to
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One of the Indiana counties spent only $5,000 for its MRAP, while the government originally purchased the vehicle for $733,000.


There's your problem. For only $5K who wouldn't want one of those suckers? It's basically free. Now, if the feds sold them to local PD for even $200,000 (still a huge discount) they would have to stop and think, hm, do we really need this? And the answer would probably be no.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:35 am to
Yeah it seems every town in America has those SWAT assholes now.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
83376 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:35 am to
Fred, the request has already been sent up the chain.

Hopefully I'll be able to have my own one by the beginning of football season so I can start working DWI checkpoints in it.

Hell, I may even write an inspection sticker ticket or two in north Baton Rouge if I get one.

I'll be sure to post pics
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:36 am to
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Yea the ex military guys who get into this stuff or the special selected cops its not an issue. Big City swat and federal agencies have some high speed and tough to get into tactical teams.


The number of ex-military who have increasing numbers in local police forces are the issue. They are the source of the military mindset, to quote one "we approach the situation just like in Iraq, if you are not in our uniform, you are the enemy."

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:36 am to
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When he joins the Marines.



might have given more cred to the article had he clarified the pic, doesn't change the fact that a lot of this type of surplus is going to pds/sheriffs depts., etc,
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28263 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:40 am to
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One of the Indiana counties spent only $5,000 for its MRAP, while the government originally purchased the vehicle for $733,000. There's your problem. For only $5K who wouldn't want one of those suckers? It's basically free. Now, if the feds sold them to local PD for even $200,000 (still a huge discount) they would have to stop and think, hm, do we really need this? And the answer would probably be no.



Yeah, and if I can find someone to give me a Lear I still couldn't afford to own it or use it.

People have no clue the TCOO of one of these vehicles.
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:43 am to
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might have given more cred to the article had he clarified the pic, doesn't change the fact that a lot of this type of surplus is going to pds/sheriffs depts., etc,


I do believe there is equipment going to local departments but not on the scale that many on this board espouse about. Local departments can ask the Feds for money for certain things and the Feds supply it. Any Mraps that are purchased are acutallu purcahsed from the fed with fed dollars. Obviously all of that money once belonged to tax payers but if you want to get mad at someone get made at the fed govt. for handing out money like it was candy.
Posted by YouthInAsia
Member since May 2008
623 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:46 am to
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"we approach the situation just like in Iraq, if you are not in our uniform, you are the enemy."


So much for "protect and serve." Francisco Franco would be proud of these United States.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15048 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:47 am to
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People have no clue the TCOO of one of these vehicles.

No doubt. Who maintains these things? Even if they sit in storage 364 days a year there's some work that has to be done to keep them working, and I doubt the local grease monkeys are qualified.
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