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Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:45 pm to TxTiger82
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College isn't all about "ROI" and it never has been.
You must be a super OT baller if you think blowing money ($60k-200k on average) on a degree that doesn't increase your earning power is ok.
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:48 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You must be a super OT baller if you think blowing money ($60k-200k on average) on a degree that doesn't increase you're earning power is ok.
College was free for me
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:48 pm to NYNolaguy1
He is right in that University's were not founded, nor were the original degrees created with ROI in mind. However, today, college is seen as an investment by students. It is a means to an end. If one is going to college to expand their mind and educate themselves, that is one thing. However, most kids are going to college to increase their earning potential, in which case, ROI is very very important. Looking at the job market's demands for certain skills is certainly relevant if college is viewed as such by an individual. Trade school is nearly always much less expensive and sometimes offers far better economic opportunities.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:49 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You must be a super OT baller if you think blowing money ($60k-200k on average) on a degree that doesn't increase you're earning power is ok.
That's a straw man and you know it.
College isn't about ROI because the things you learn in college don't always have a direct translation to a job. That doesn't mean the college degree hasn't prepared you to do any job. There's a difference.
College is about getting a well-rounded education so you can be a competent person and citizen in a democratic market society. Work is only a small part of that.
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:52 pm to kingbob
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Trade school is nearly always much less expensive and sometimes offers far better economic opportunities.
Not in conditions of hyper-competition it doesn't. Employers are looking for weed-outs. No four-year degree? Weeded out. Its that easy when you get 300 applicants for every position.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:54 pm to TxTiger82
You can make some skrilla as a welder, pipefitter, instrument tech, electrician, etc
And they aren't weeding out people who don't have 4 year degrees. It's useless in some fields.
And they aren't weeding out people who don't have 4 year degrees. It's useless in some fields.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:56 pm to TxTiger82
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Not in conditions of hyper-competition it doesn't. Employers are looking for weed-outs. No four-year degree? Weeded out. Its that easy when you get 300 applicants for every position.
Yes it does, because a tradesman isn't competing for the same job as a college grad. A welder with his CWI isn't trying to become a partner at a marketing firm. They are not two different routes to the same job, they are completely different career ladders that have completely different rungs. The problem is, that too many people automatically assume that the college ladder is superior for everyone, and it's not. There are plusses and minuses to both routes, meaning that while some are best suited for one, others are best suited for the other.
NOT EVERYONE HAS TO GO TO COLLEGE!
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:59 pm to kingbob
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A welder with his CWI isn't trying to become a partner at a marketing firm.
A welder has an economic ceiling that the college graduate doesn't have. Maybe the welder makes more in his/her 20s, but the college grad will make more in the end - or, at least, has the potential to make more.
If you don't go to college, you are dooming yourself to a life of mediocrity. Nobody became the CEO of a steel company by starting out as a welder.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:00 pm to kingbob
Luck, opportunity, hard work, persistences, timing and connections.
That's all you need.
That's all you need.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:01 pm to Boats n Hose
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And they aren't weeding out people who don't have 4 year degrees.
I think the classic example is IT. You used to be able to get a two-year associates degree in computer science or computer systems and make a fine living as an IT. Now, you are fricked if you don't get a computer science bachelor's.
When there is hyper-competition (e.g. too many people with four-year computer science degrees) why would I look twice at the associate's degree holder? I wouldn't. Skills or no, that person is out.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:05 pm to TxTiger82
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If you don't go to college, you are dooming yourself to a life of mediocrity. Nobody became the CEO of a steel company by starting out as a welder.
False
Several VP's at Turner Industries started out as freaking dozer operators.
The owner of ISC started out pulling wire by hand and requires most of his estimators and many of his professional engineers to become certified electricians if they aren't already.
Many owners of steel shops, mechanic shops, fabricators, ect started out as go-fors and shop hands.
Just because you don't know of it happening doesn't mean it hasn't happened....alot.
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:07 pm to TxTiger82
Most people, college grads or not, are "doomed to a life of mediocrity." And that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:10 pm to mattz1122
If I worked the register at chilis I'd prob feel the same way.
Just bc you feel mediocre today doesn't mean things can't improve for you.
Hang in there.
Pal.
Just bc you feel mediocre today doesn't mean things can't improve for you.
Hang in there.
Pal.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:12 pm to mattz1122
I guess what I've always wondered about the "not" everybody is made for college argument, is that it is also usually made in addition to the Liberal Arts college graduates...
Although they went to college and maybe got into a large debt situation...
are those same people also going to be very productive in a tradesman job position?
Not everybody who is meant for college, is also not meant for a trade position.
Although they went to college and maybe got into a large debt situation...
are those same people also going to be very productive in a tradesman job position?
Not everybody who is meant for college, is also not meant for a trade position.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:12 pm to TIGRLEE
I'm defending people who didn't go to college. You should be on my side here, bud.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:13 pm to kingbob
Money over bitches, that is all.
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:14 pm to mattz1122
I went to college, why didn't you?
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:14 pm to TIGRLEE
clown college
Posted on 3/21/15 at 5:15 pm to mattz1122
Clown college, that was funny 
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