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re: Spanking raises risks of anti-social behavior, 50-year study finds
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:46 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:46 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Enjoy your anti-social kids!
Ridiculous. There is a great deal more to fostering antisocial PD beyond spanking. So much so that this study is worthless.
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
You have not had MANY parents say anything of the sort to you. You are exaggerating to embellish your argument. You might have had one, perhaps two, conversations about spanking with parents in your life. And if so, that little exchange you put in quotes never occurred. What you have done here is take the conclusion of your point that "spanking is bad" and formed it into a fantasy where you have had conversations with multiple parents who give you their feedback. In reality world, you took answers given in past threads and exaggerated the hell out of them. "All day, everyday." Nobody has said that to you in real life conversations or even on this board. You took the replies you have seen where people advocate spanking and say they do spank their kids and turned it into a crazy little exchange in your mind where you actually had these conversations. Then you even go further with the embellishment and say you ask a question that has been a canned message board gotcha question in spanking threads for years. The cherry on top of your BS story is where you make believe show them the light that results in some sudden "Ah ha!" moment.
You pulled a lot of BS is that post and tried way to hard to slip that fantasy land BS off as reality. Shame to make shite up to strengthen an argument.
You pulled a lot of BS is that post and tried way to hard to slip that fantasy land BS off as reality. Shame to make shite up to strengthen an argument.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:22 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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I have many parents tell me "spanking is the only thing that works". I ask then how much they spank and almost universally, they say a "lot...several times a week, a few times a week, all day everyday"". I then ask them, "if spanking works for your child, how come you find yourself spanking so much"? I have yet to get an acceptable answer. At that point, most of these parents have sort of an "ah'ha" moment.
How many children do you have?
Regardless, the problem with the analysis, is the frequency issue. As a firm believer in spanking (under the proper circumstances), I'll say if you are spanking your child "lot...several times a week, a few times a week, all day everyday" you've already lost the fight and I expect negative long term repercussions.
Every child is different. My eldest (girl, 8) is a strong willed child but also a pleaser. I don't remember when her last spanking was but probably hasn't exceeded 2-3 times. Some occasional shows of anger are enough to get the results needed, but ALWAYS after 1-3 polite requests or warnings before. Second child (boy, 6) is a tougher nut. Not a pleaser, more an agitator. We've worked hard with his personality, often (very often) holding tongue, maintaining patience because you know he's often just feeding on the reaction. BUT, there is a line and when the line is crossed, there is the spanking. Probably 4 times a year. When done, is very formal, explaining what the standard was, why he's being punished. I've found the formality of it scares him more than the actual thing. More often I've had to resort to other means, e.g., nose on a wall, stern talking to, etc., which is sufficient.
The main standard I maintain is always attempting polite request, then warning before even getting ugly (not even close to spanking).
There MUST be a line not to cross. That line should be set high but clear. And you must be consistent, ALWAYS.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:03 am to Havoc
Typical OT. You guys do realize theirs dozens of disciplinary methods other than spanking. Spanking you kid teaches violence as problem resolution which is a horrible way to fix things. Most kids who turn out to be little shits were spanked, and those that weren't didn't have any discipline at all. There is no situations that call for an adult to lay their hands on a child to discipline them.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 5:40 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:27 am to GreatLakesTiger24
No matter your opinion on the subject.
Let this remind us we have a huge responsibility as parents to think before we speak or act in front of our little ones.
Let this remind us we have a huge responsibility as parents to think before we speak or act in front of our little ones.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:29 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I was spanked, I def have abused alcohol which has led to me being anti social at times.
But I wouldn't say it's because I was spanked. I was generally a good kid, the only time I got detention was because I wouldn't stop talking to this girl in class.
Plus I remember when teachers would spank you with the ruler and principals or disciplinarians would paddle kids. I don't think our entire nation turned out to be anti social alcoholics and child abusers.
But I wouldn't say it's because I was spanked. I was generally a good kid, the only time I got detention was because I wouldn't stop talking to this girl in class.
Plus I remember when teachers would spank you with the ruler and principals or disciplinarians would paddle kids. I don't think our entire nation turned out to be anti social alcoholics and child abusers.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 12:35 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 1:45 am to TJGator1215
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Spanking you kid teaches violence as problem resolution which is a horrible way to fix things.
some of you people need to come down off that damn high horse. The study is more than likely bullshite
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Academic scientists readily acknowledge that they often get things wrong. But they also hold fast to the idea that these errors get corrected over time as other scientists try to take the work further. There are errors in a lot more of the scientific papers being published, written about and acted on than anyone would normally suppose, or like to think.
You know good and well all these damn snowflakes leading violent protests never got one damn spanking in their entire lives
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 3:49 am to Salmon
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it doesn't require thought, patience, or much time from the parent, its just lazy parenting IMO
You sound like you wear the diaper bag in the relationship. What pussies some men have turned out to be.
I was getting a meal yesterday and this man comes in about a messed up order. There are two young girls working the desk and this wimp says, "my order is right but we were supposed to get grilled bell peppers on the other salad not plain. I don't think my wife will be happy at all if she sees this." It sounded so limp. He's been so neutered that he did t have the nuts to just say, "Hey, you messed up my order." Or "yo wife. Deal with the bell peppers".
There's a lot of men in the United States that need to grow a pair.
Not saying you are a man (at least you don't come off as one) or women.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 3:50 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:20 am to baobabtiger
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You sound like you wear the diaper bag in the relationship. What pussies some men have turned out to be
If only he'd be quick to inflict physical violence on his young defenseless children, then he'd he a real man!
Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:39 am to Dick Leverage
if only you knew .
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 5:43 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:41 am to League Champs
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some of you people need to come down off that damn high horse. The study is more than likely bullshite
It's a meta-analysis, not one study. It's an analysis of 50 years of studies. I suppose all the other studies are BS too.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:45 am to TJGator1215
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Typical OT. You guys do realize theirs dozens of disciplinary methods other than spanking. Spanking you kid teaches violence as problem resolution which is a horrible way to fix things. Most kids who turn out to be little shits were spanked, and those that weren't did have any discipline at all. There is no situations that call for an adult to lay their hands on a child to discipline them.
Spot on. Screw hardcore data says the OT typicals. Not one of these people have been able to provide any data that supports their belief, except the predictable image of SJWs
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 6:34 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:56 am to GreatLakesTiger24
My monkey is destined to be a sociopath I'm sure.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:10 am to LSUTANGERINE
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I have many parents tell me "spanking is the only thing that works". I ask then how much they spank and almost universally, they say a "lot...several times a week, a few times a week, all day everyday""
No, you haven't. I'm a parent that spanks and for my oldest who is now 12, I only had to spank her on three occasions. For my middle child who is 10 I only had to spank him five or six times and my youngest who is five it has only been once. All involved them engaging in behavior, such as climbing a bookshelf, that, had something gone wrong, they could have seriously injured themselves. This was because another punishment did not fix the issue previously.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:20 am to Jake88
No you didn't . But you're right. My anecdotal data does not mean squat and neither does yours. However, large scale meta-analyses do.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:26 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Screw hardcore data says the OT typicals. Not one of these people have been able to provide any data that supports their belief, except the predictable image of SJWs
That's this thread in a nutshell, and it's exactly the response I was expecting here.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:31 am to LSUTANGERINE
My anecdotal data was intended to provide you the ability to expand your anecdotal data to say to others "I've had conversations with many parents who spank, but weren't quick to anger or doing it out of frustration." I'm just trying to help.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:42 am to baobabtiger
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You sound like you wear the diaper bag in the relationship. What pussies some men have turned out to be.
I'm a pussy because I don't think spanking a kid is the best form of punishment? Does spanking your kid make you feel like more of a man? Because that is what you are insinuating.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:46 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Spanking is what builds character if done properly. Sadly now, kids can sue their parents if they discipline them.
So, kids today are growing up with an unchecked will. Evidence is all around us.
So, kids today are growing up with an unchecked will. Evidence is all around us.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:56 am to GreatLakesTiger24
My dad spanked me like 3 or 4 times (that I remember) He would tell me he was going to do it. Explain why, and hug me after and let me know if I did that again I would get spanked again.
He did not wait hours to do it or excessively spank me. Funny thing is I did not do that behavior after that.
He did not wait hours to do it or excessively spank me. Funny thing is I did not do that behavior after that.
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