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Should World War I and World War II be treated as one giant conflict?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:27 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:27 am
A convincing argument can be made that they are both two parts of the same conflict.
The war didn't really end in 1918. The warring factions merely took a 20-year break so a new generation could be born and reach fighting age to resume the conflict anew, with the wrongs of the Treaty of Versailles were used as their rallying cry.
The war didn't really end in 1918. The warring factions merely took a 20-year break so a new generation could be born and reach fighting age to resume the conflict anew, with the wrongs of the Treaty of Versailles were used as their rallying cry.
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:31 am to RollTide1987
No.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:40 am to RollTide1987
Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany were really two completely different movements. It's tempting to look at them as the same thing, but they really weren't.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:44 am to RollTide1987
That would be a great way to put off WWIII for a couple more decades. You just can't jump from WWI to WWIII.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:49 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany were really two completely different movements. It's tempting to look at them as the same thing, but they really weren't.
Okay. But what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Fascist Italy looked nothing like the Italian government of World War I, yet its motivations were directly linked to the raw deal Italy got at the end of the First World War.
Nazi Germany does not exist if not for the First World War. Imperial Japan does not invade China if not for the First World War.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:52 am to RollTide1987
Possibly, but All In The Family and Archie Bunker's Place were definitely not the same show
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:55 am to RollTide1987
No, this is ridiculous.
There were 20 years in between the two.
The changes made within the countries, and within their armies, were astronomical.
Read Once and Eagle to get a good idea of what transpired within the Army between the conflicts.
There were 20 years in between the two.
The changes made within the countries, and within their armies, were astronomical.
Read Once and Eagle to get a good idea of what transpired within the Army between the conflicts.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:02 am to RollTide1987
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Nazi Germany does not exist if not for the First World War. Imperial Japan does not invade China if not for the First World War.
The War of 1812 doesn't happen if not for the American War for Independence. Doesn't make them one war.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 6:03 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:13 am to RollTide1987
No
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:15 am to RollTide1987
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:18 am to RollTide1987
No.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:19 am to RollTide1987
No. WWI started because Franz Ferdinand was shot. So it was revenge.
WWII started because some crazy mf with LPS, a bad haircut and facial hair decided he would be great at ruling the world.
Eta: I fricked up, I wasn't fully awake yet. The powers behind the scenes in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, along with the Germans were pulling the strings.
France was still butthurt about losing the Franco-Prussian War before then.
It was always crazy to me how damn near all the royalty in Europe at the time were related.
WWII started because some crazy mf with LPS, a bad haircut and facial hair decided he would be great at ruling the world.
Eta: I fricked up, I wasn't fully awake yet. The powers behind the scenes in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, along with the Germans were pulling the strings.
France was still butthurt about losing the Franco-Prussian War before then.
It was always crazy to me how damn near all the royalty in Europe at the time were related.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 6:50 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:29 am to TigerFanInSouthland
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:31 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Watch out. You're going to offend one of the many white nationalists that post here.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:32 am to RollTide1987
No.
The contexts were completely different. Yes, they were linked of course, but so are a great deal of long standing European emnities that lead to wars.
There was a tremendous deal of socio-political upheaval and international posturing that lead to WWII that was shaped by the outcome and experiences of WWI, but that's how history works.
The contexts were completely different. Yes, they were linked of course, but so are a great deal of long standing European emnities that lead to wars.
There was a tremendous deal of socio-political upheaval and international posturing that lead to WWII that was shaped by the outcome and experiences of WWI, but that's how history works.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:32 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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WWI started because Franz Ferdinand was shot.
This is always the easiest way to tell whose history opinions can be disregarded.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:36 am to RollTide1987
If somebody gets drunk on December 1 and then has an occasional beer over the next few weeks and then gets really drunk again on Christmas Eve, was that person drunk the entire three weeks or was it two separate incidents?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:37 am to Kraut Dawg
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if you're of the opinion that the French helped spark WWI, that it was a result from the Franco-Prussian War from 45 years prior
Almost mentioned this. If you start trying to treat WWI and WWII as one conflict, then you'd have to consider extending that logic to WWI and the Franco-Prussian War. This war created the new European order that saw Germany's birth as a unified nation-state and a rival power for continental supremacy and stoked the flames of contempt between Imperial France and Imperial Germany.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:47 am to ChewyDante
No and yes.
Treaty sucked. Economics therefore related.
Much of the rest of it differed.
Same in that people could still be manipulated into fighting for the elite. Wave flag here. MAGA
Identity politics. Our sea. 3rd Reich. Us, not them. We're #1.
We're #1.
Treaty sucked. Economics therefore related.
Much of the rest of it differed.
Same in that people could still be manipulated into fighting for the elite. Wave flag here. MAGA
Identity politics. Our sea. 3rd Reich. Us, not them. We're #1.
We're #1.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 6:49 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:50 am to RollTide1987
This is an example of the classic historical issue of scale.
The further away you get from a time period, the closer together events seem, and more links in the chain of cause and effect seem to emerge. It's an illusion.
Zoom in tighter and you will see that the nations involved are not even the same nations anymore. Russia is the Soviet Union. Germany is Nazi Germany. The Ottoman Empire is gone. Austria-Hungary is no more. Italy has gone facist. Japan is involved now.
As time passes, the OP's notion will become more popular. But WWI and WWII are not the same war.
The further away you get from a time period, the closer together events seem, and more links in the chain of cause and effect seem to emerge. It's an illusion.
Zoom in tighter and you will see that the nations involved are not even the same nations anymore. Russia is the Soviet Union. Germany is Nazi Germany. The Ottoman Empire is gone. Austria-Hungary is no more. Italy has gone facist. Japan is involved now.
As time passes, the OP's notion will become more popular. But WWI and WWII are not the same war.
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