re: Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?

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the Bar pass rate is only like %50...so what does a degree in PoliSci do for you when you haven't passed the bar?

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I think the national passage rate is like 67%

I think for the first two years, its ok, but after the first two years they should get no subsidy.

we need philosophers, and english majors, they pull the best espresso. But we shouldn't be paying for it. We should offer scholarships for those studies though.

Under a plan like this, a long, long term mutual commitment, I would imagine a selective approach to educating the educators would be implored.

That would be the entire point of recruiting those of a higher cut to take on this task.

I would be willing to kick around the idea of serious teacher pay increases if it was somehow connected to work experience or superior academic performance at good schools.

As it is, and no offense to the many good teachers out there, there are a ton of mediocre candidates from mediocre schools with little to no real life experience competing for a limited number of jobs.

High paying professions factor in the cost of getting there. It takes money to become an investment banker or high end management consultant or big firm attorney, because you have to do well at really good schools. Getting to a good position as a teaching candidate doesn't cost much, and thus they don't have to offer those kind of wages.

English majors often find great success in the business world. A strong grasp on the language, beyond the basics, is a monstrous advantage in a creative economy.

Many become lawyers, which is coincidentally a saturated labor market.

A JD will open plenty of doors in the business world, but those red carpets are pricey.

I'd be fine if they did away will all grants and loans...can't afford college, go to work

Honestly, all of the people who I know who do the really weird arts of humanity degrees all come from wealthy families and have never had to pay a dime for anything. And they don't care if they're only going to turn $40,000 working at it an Ngo in DC because the trust fund is going to spit out another $400,000 a year in income for years to come. And hopefully her big law husband will make partner.

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taxpayers shouldn't be funding degrees that don't lead to direct professional employment

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First, colleges aren't built to have anything to do with employment. So judging them, or the degrees they offer, based on this fact is inaccurate.

Second,

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If school wants, they can grant/loan students from their endowments....no tax payer money

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Through research grants, which are massively more valuable in sciences and engineering, non-A&H grads usually have access to more pools of money if they really require it.

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I looked and looked.....I'd like to see an unemployment/loan default list based on major(as a percentage)

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Does it matter? One of the best things that colleges do is build a varied and discipline-fluid workforce. Putting in measures, and legal restrictions, on that output is, well, ignorant.

Instead of wasting time telling people what they can't or shouldn't do...

We should help build humanities and art programs that are more efficient and direct in how they prepare students for jobs. You can't tell me that an English major has no place in the work force, because then, again, that's just ignorance.

The problem is that faculty and deans don't see the need for this, yet. Their focus is on creating miniature versions of themselves, so only the truly creative and/or ambitious can figure out how to use an A & H background effectively. We just need to break the clone cycle so that people understand the value of an A & H degree.

I mean, do you understand that this:

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Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans

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Means you're effectively putting rails and limitations on knowledge output? Think about that for a second.

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Means you're effectively putting rails and limitations on knowledge output? Think about that for a second.

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This seems premised on the idea that Arts and Humanities programs convey knowledge, which is arguable.

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Yeah, we don't need us no more educated people. The next great American novel will be written in business English with a liberal sprinkling of engineering and computer jargon.

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Fair enough, but don't you think we have a surplus of liberal arts majors who have no marketable skills, and frankly, don't even have any expertise in their major?

A relatively smart American can cruise through a top 100 public U without really acquiring any significant expertise.