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re: Reveille Article Regarding Voter ID
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:18 pm to ell_13
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:18 pm to ell_13
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If I tell them in January that by November, they need an ID, you're saying they couldn't find a way to save $10 over 10 months?
You just don't understand...
ETA: what about people who don't live in walking distance to a voting place? You expect them to use their own gas to go vote? We don't have voting shuttles (buses) to take everyone to the voting place.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:23 pm
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:20 pm to DamnStrong1860
Lots of DMVs are open to 6 PM. Not sure how they are elsewhere but in Houston they are. They also open at 7:30 AM.
So they can go get them if their 9-5 doesn't afford them the time.
Also if they can't get an ID in the alotted time frame because of their job then I would assume the can't vote in the allotted time.
And it is not like they have to go renew their ID every month or every year.
If someone want to vote they can take 2 hours out of their day every seven or so years to get an ID.
So they can go get them if their 9-5 doesn't afford them the time.
Also if they can't get an ID in the alotted time frame because of their job then I would assume the can't vote in the allotted time.
And it is not like they have to go renew their ID every month or every year.
If someone want to vote they can take 2 hours out of their day every seven or so years to get an ID.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:21 pm to Epic Cajun
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Limiting voter fraud?
Lets be fair here, no one has been able to provide substantial evidence that we have a voter fraud problem in this country large enough to make disenfranchisng millions of voters a must do. Thats what I meant by the greater good. Prove that the country is best served by doing it and I'm all for it. As of now, all we know is that conservatives are best served by doing it.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:22 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:Not sure if serious....
no one has been able to provide substantial evidence that we have a voter fraud problem in this country large enough to make disenfranchisng millions of voters a must do.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:23 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:
Lawd, did you bother to read like the very next sentence.
Your explanation is a cop out. Many people are busy. It doesn't excuse us from meeting our responsibilities. If the id is free then there is no excuse to not get one if voting is a priority.
The greater good that you ignored is maintaining the integrity of the election and voting process. It's pretty simple to see.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:24 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:
Sometimes we have to be prepared to give up certain rights for the greater good.
Correct, you have to give up a little time and money to prove who you are while trying to cast a vote, drive, purchase tobacco or alcohol, open a bank account, get a job or apply for free benefits. If voting is just as much a constitutional right as free healthcare or welfare, then why must you prove your identity for one and not the other?
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But what greater good do Voter ID laws serve? All I can think of is voter suppression?
Yes, in today's age of rampant identity theft, voter suppression is the #1 goal of ID laws.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:24 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:
As of now, all we know is that conservatives are best served by doing it.
...until liberals lose a close election.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:28 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:
Lets be fair here, no one has been able to provide substantial evidence that we have a voter fraud problem in this country large enough to make disenfranchisng millions of voters a must do. Thats what I meant by the greater good. Prove that the country is best served by doing it and I'm all for it. As of now, all we know is that conservatives are best served by doing it.
You're using vague and subjective wording, so that you can't be proven wrong. What is substantial evidence? How many cases of voter fraud would have to occur in order to be considered "large enough"? IMO, one case of voter fraud is "large enough" of an issue to require people to show ID when voting.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:30 pm to jimbeam
What kind of monster has the audacity to ask for proof of identity to vote?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:31 pm to ell_13
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If I tell them in January that by November, they need an ID, you're saying they couldn't find a way to save $10 over 10 months?
Why should they have to? Do you have any appreciation of what a dollar means to people who are truely poor? I make a decent living and can still think of a lot of ways I'D rather spend 10-30 dollars. Besides, don't you see how that puts a burden on some and not others. One guy has to save his money to vote and the other just pulls out his pocket change. Is that fair when you're talking about a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?
Look, I'm not some bleeding heart here. I don't want anyone fricking with my right to bare arms. Why the frick would I be okay with people fricking, in any way, with my right to vote? You keep chipping away at certain freedoms and there will be nothing left.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:32 pm to jimbeam
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This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:34 pm to DamnStrong1860
The IDs are going to be free dipshit
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:38 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:Do you mean poor enough to receive government benefits? Don't people have to verify identity to receive welfare?
Do you have any appreciation of what a dollar means to people who are truely poor?
quote:Didn't you have to show I.D. to buy that gun?
I don't want anyone fricking with my right to bare arms.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:38 pm to jimbeam
I guess most of the folks posting here don't vote in Louisiana. You must show your id here. And sign your name.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:39 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:
. One guy has to save his money to vote and the other just pulls out his pocket change.
so the other guy has no need for an ID in any aspct of his life? how many jobs dont require you to show an ID at some point? they dont cash checks, buy beer? pay bills?
I had to show my ID for surgery a few weeks ago, i feel so disenfranchised
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:39 pm to BayouBunny
Yes I know. Like you should
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:39 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:
Why should they have to? Do you have any appreciation of what a dollar means to people who are truely poor? I make a decent living and can still think of a lot of ways I'D rather spend 10-30 dollars. Besides, don't you see how that puts a burden on some and not others. One guy has to save his money to vote and the other just pulls out his pocket change. Is that fair when you're talking about a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?
I'd rather not stand in line to vote for 30 mins to an hour, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:40 pm to BayouBunny
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guess most of the folks posting here don't vote in Louisiana. You must show your id here. And sign your name.
no kidding
my first vote was in 1991, and ive had to show one at every local state and federal election since. why is this even an issue?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:41 pm to DamnStrong1860
The right to bare arms is also a cconstitutional right. Libs don't seem to cry about showingan iID to exercise that right
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:44 pm to DamnStrong1860
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Why should they have to? Do you have any appreciation of what a dollar means to people who are truely poor? I make a decent living and can still think of a lot of ways I'D rather spend 10-30 dollars. Besides, don't you see how that puts a burden on some and not others. One guy has to save his money to vote and the other just pulls out his pocket change. Is that fair when you're talking about a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?
Look, I'm not some bleeding heart here. I don't want anyone fricking with my right to bare arms. Why the frick would I be okay with people fricking, in any way, with my right to vote? You keep chipping away at certain freedoms and there will be nothing left.
You're creating very extreme circumstances and projecting them as common situations. There are plenty of thing I would RATHER spend money on as well, however, if voting is really that important to you, you can find a way to hurdle this very, very minuscule obstacle. A right means you have the option, but are not forced, to do something. We all have to make some sort of effort to vote, this is just one of them. If a homeless guy can't get to a polling place and can't vote absentee, are we obliged to track him down and get his vote? Why should he have to waste his precious time and energy to exercise his right?
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