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Related to COA Belize Cruise - School Trips
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:26 pm
In light of the thread regarding COA employees "chaperoning" a trip to Belize...
My wife (no pics) teaches at a public HS in LA. Every year, the school offers the seniors a chance to go on a senior trip. Usually about 40-50 go. It's a week long trip. It's run by a tour company. No public money is used to fund the trip - the kids and their families pay for it all themselves, and/or some fundraisers are held to help pay for it. For every 10 paid students, the tour company provides one free trip for a chaperone. For the last several years, my wife has attended as a chaperone.
The trip cost covers everything they do, travel, and about half of their meals. So my wife (like everyone else on the trip) comes of pocket for about half her meals and any other spending money / incidentals.
Because of various local and state laws, in order to make this trip happen, it is actually considered an extra-curricular activity, with sponsors/advisors. Sponsors and advisors, like football coaches, are eligible to get a stipend since they are on duty outside their normal duty hours. Thus, my wife gets a stipend every year because of the hours she spent on the school trip (24/7 for a week since it's during spring break). The stipend is usually around $300, so we not getting rich here. This stipend, like all other stipends for coaches, moderators, etc, IS paid out of public money.
Would the O-T consider that to be the same abuse of public money that the COA is accused of?
My wife (no pics) teaches at a public HS in LA. Every year, the school offers the seniors a chance to go on a senior trip. Usually about 40-50 go. It's a week long trip. It's run by a tour company. No public money is used to fund the trip - the kids and their families pay for it all themselves, and/or some fundraisers are held to help pay for it. For every 10 paid students, the tour company provides one free trip for a chaperone. For the last several years, my wife has attended as a chaperone.
The trip cost covers everything they do, travel, and about half of their meals. So my wife (like everyone else on the trip) comes of pocket for about half her meals and any other spending money / incidentals.
Because of various local and state laws, in order to make this trip happen, it is actually considered an extra-curricular activity, with sponsors/advisors. Sponsors and advisors, like football coaches, are eligible to get a stipend since they are on duty outside their normal duty hours. Thus, my wife gets a stipend every year because of the hours she spent on the school trip (24/7 for a week since it's during spring break). The stipend is usually around $300, so we not getting rich here. This stipend, like all other stipends for coaches, moderators, etc, IS paid out of public money.
Would the O-T consider that to be the same abuse of public money that the COA is accused of?
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:28 pm to LSUFanHouston
Yes. They shouldn't get any public money to go on vacation.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:29 pm to LSUFanHouston
So your wife is making what 1.80 an hour on this trip and then paying out of pocket on some meals?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
Your wife is banging random guys on "senior trip". Sorry you had to learn of this on the OT.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:31 pm to LSUFanHouston
some kids are abusing your wife's pussy
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:31 pm to JOJO Hammer
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Your wife is banging random guys on "senior trip". Sorry you had to learn of this on the OT.
This is basically the tl;dr version of op.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:32 pm to kingbob
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They shouldn't get any public money to go on vacation.
Vacation would imply not having work, right?
Look... working on a senior trip is not the same as lecturing and grading papers. But she is responsible for those kids, have to do checkins with them every so often, have to stay in the same area as the kids, she can't leave and go off somewhere else on her own, etc.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
Let me ask you this way. Do you think your wife should be paid by with my tax dollars for her vacation? I am sure there are plenty of chaperones that would have volunteered and paid their on meals without being paid a stipend. If the school can't figure out how to do this then stop senior trips.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Would the O-T consider that to be the same abuse of public money that the COA is accused of?
In the context presented. No.
The participants are minor children, or at minimum still in High School, and representing the school on this trip.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:33 pm to tduecen
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So your wife is making what 1.80 an hour on this trip and then paying out of pocket on some meals?
1.80 per hour, before taxes and yes, spending out of pocket for some meals.
By the time of all of this, and she buys crap touristy stuff, we usually are out, in sum, a couple of hundred bucks.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
Hey I'm all for this, as a teacher and someone who has supervised an overnight trip it is worse than being in a classroom. Sadly I only got my meals reimbursed and we ate fast food the entire time because of the kids.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
I'm shocked a public school would do this at all. No way should your wife get paid. She volunteered and this is not part of her job requirements so therefore should not get paid.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:37 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Do you think your wife should be paid by with my tax dollars for her vacation?
I would not consider this a vacation. she is somewhat working.
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I am sure there are plenty of chaperones that would have volunteered and paid their on meals without being paid a stipend. If the school can't figure out how to do this then stop senior trips.
The first year she went, we were not aware of the approx $300 stipend. It just showed up in her paycheck at the end of the school year. If they took it away, none of us would be bothered and she probably would continue to volunteer.
If she had to pay for the entire trip, she would not go.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
I went with this group last year, your wife is fun.
Especially after a few drinks and a snort
Especially after a few drinks and a snort
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:39 pm to jscrims
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I'm shocked a public school would do this at all. No way should your wife get paid. She volunteered and this is not part of her job requirements so therefore should not get paid.
I'd be willing to bet, while the $300 stipend is issued via her public school system payroll, the source of funds for these stipends is a "soft money" type of account (i.e. ticket sales from sporting events, plays, fundraisers, booster clubs, etc.)
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:39 pm to jscrims
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this is not part of her job requirements
Agree, but this school pays stipends to all extra-curiccular advisors like the drama club, the science club, yearbook, etc. All of them are volunteers, none of them have the duties spelled out in their contract.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:40 pm to The Torch
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I went with this group last year, your wife is fun.
Believeable
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Especially after a few drinks
Believeable
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and a snort
Yeah she don't do that
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
Not around you she didn't
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