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Public Defenders Hard To Come By In Louisiana
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:33 pm
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In Louisiana, people arrested for serious crimes who can't afford a lawyer often are put on a waiting list for representation. A new lawsuit says the situation is unconstitutional.
Frederick Bell is one of the plaintiffs in the class action suit. Bell lives "down the bayou" as locals say — in LaFourche Parish, defined by its proximity to the Gulf of Mexico. He does cement work in the oilfield industry, but things are on hold as he awaits trial on a drug charge from last October. Officers say they found drugs in his car during a traffic stop. Bell says he saw the public defender the day after he was arrested, in jail, for about 5 minutes.
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they didn't speak again until a court appearance a month later. He says when his name was called, the lawyer told him what prosecutors were offering in exchange for a guilty plea.
"I hadn't spoken with anybody about what went down for them to even give me a plea deal," he says.
He declined the offer, and his trial was set for April. But just a few weeks out, he still has not discussed his case with a public defender.
"I wish my attorney would at least get in touch with me or let me know what's going on," Bell says. "If they do have evidence or if they don't? But no word.".
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Public defenders say they're performing a balancing act themselves. They handle more than 80 percent of criminal cases in Louisiana.
"I'm the only full-time employee with the public defenders' office," explains Rhonda Covington, the public defender for East and West Feliciana — two mostly rural parishes.
Covington says she's got 265 open cases. Seven of them are felony life without parole situations, and she also handles juvenile delinquencies, family services and misdemeanors. "Everything from doing 60 in a 55 to first-degree murder, so it's a wide expanse," she says. "And I clean the office."Public defenders say they're performing a balancing act themselves. They handle more than 80 percent of criminal cases in Louisiana.
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Covington says her budget is a fraction of what prosecutors get. "People think that criminals have more rights than victims. You hear that a lot," she says. "This is giving rights to people who are accused. They haven't been convicted of anything. They're innocent until proven guilty. That's the American system." At issue is the way Louisiana pays for public defense. While the state provides some money, the system depends primarily on traffic tickets and local court costs, which vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and have nothing to do with the demand for court-appointed lawyers.
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This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:35 pm to Dire Wolf
Don't commit the crime if you don't want to do the time!
-incoming mouth breather response
-incoming mouth breather response
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:35 pm to Dire Wolf
You just make all that up or is there a link?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:37 pm to NIH
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incoming mouth breather response
Gotcha Bru, play stupid games, y'all know the rest.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:37 pm to Dire Wolf
They need a lot of help. I have great respect for them
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:50 pm to Ace Midnight
Believe it or not, but you don't actually have to commit a crime to find yourself fighting for your freedom...
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:54 pm to MoarKilometers
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Believe it or not, but you don't actually have to commit a crime to find yourself fighting for your freedom...
Believe it or not, I'm a lawyer. Sure there is the occasional case where the cops believe somebody is involved in something (or at least more involved than they actually were) - and even rarer cases where they just flat out get the wrong guy (or worse, target a guy because of a personal beef).
But that's not what they're talking about in the OP - they're talking about murderers, rapists and thieves, almost without exception.
And believe it or not, the jails aren't full of innocent people...
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:56 pm to MoarKilometers
if that dude is doing concrete for oil industry, he doesn't need a public defender.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:56 pm to NIH
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don't commit the crime if you can't afford a lawyer
Fixed
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:58 pm to Ace Midnight
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- they're talking about murderers, rapists and thieves, almost without exception.
and yet they still have rights
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:11 pm to NIH
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and yet they still have rights
This is a Public Defender bar ploy to get more money. What do "they" have the "right" to, representation-wise? And elite multi-million dollar "Dream Team" like OJ?
How much do you think that costs in a state with moderate-to-heavy violent, urban crime?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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But that's not what they're talking about in the OP - they're talking about murderers, rapists and thieves, almost without exception.
Believe or not, but the only case i saw specifically mentioned in the op was drug related.
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Covington says she's got 265 open cases. Seven of them are felony life without parole situations
7 out of 265 are life felonies, a whopping 2.6%.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:17 pm to Dire Wolf
It's sad they make so little money. 9/10, even if you can get one, you probably won't want him/her.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:20 pm to Dire Wolf
Got news for Frederick, that's about all you will get from a Public defender.
You get what you pay for.
You get what you pay for.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:20 pm to MoarKilometers
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Believe or not, but the only case i saw specifically mentioned in the op was drug related.
For the record, I'm for declaring "Peace with Honor" in the War on Drugs(tm).
However, until that time, people should stay away from them, particularly the hard drugs and trafficking charges. Nobody is going away for minor possession - it's only repeated offenses and "with intent" weights (or actual trafficking).
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Covington says she's got 265 open cases.
I had 200 cases open when I had an active practice - it's a lot but doable -and she's making a shite ton more than I was at the time.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:31 pm to Dire Wolf
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Frederick Bell is one of the plaintiffs in the class action suit. Bell lives "down the bayou" as locals say — in LaFourche Parish, defined by its proximity to the Gulf of Mexico. He does cement work in the oilfield industry
Do what? Its not like this guy is making $8/hr at Burger King. This guy is probably pulling in at least $70-80K(if not more) per year.
He needs to be paying for his own lawyer.
I know this kid who was facing a few drug charges & was facing some time.
Parents had to borrow some money, roughly around $5000 to get a good lawyer to get the boy probation & some fines.
If the kid would not have had good representation, no doubt he would have done a little time.
The kid is now doing very well, married and working a good job.
The point is, getting good representation in a court of law is well worth the money even if you have to borrow a few thousand dollars.
The problem is there is a contingent out there that would rather spend a few extra months/years in jail than spend some money on a good lawyer.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:32 pm to Ace Midnight
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This is a Public Defender bar ploy to get more money.
No shite. They can barely keep the lights on meanwhile DA's offices are flush with cash via pre-trial programs and their air tight grip on the legislature's balls.
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hat do "they" have the "right"
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nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
Rotting in jail for months or years in some cases before a trial is not due process.
I suggest you actually talk to people who are involved in criminal law in Louisiana and not spout bullshite talking points. It's embarrassing, especially when you wave around the lawyer card.
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