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Protocol for Job Offering/Opp to Match question
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:31 pm
Basically, I'll try to keep this short. The GF was told she'd be given a raise for moving to admin 2 years ago at her current company. She has continued to take on more work, especially from the dead weight screwup in the company with no recognition for the cross training she's learned. She is fully capable of doing any of the admin jobs now. I work there as well and can honestly say it's BS it's 2 years without a promise fulfilled.
Enter the new job opportunity. A sister of an employee is offering her a new position with negotiations on salary ongoing. She's hoping to make it to at least what she should be making now and likely would get that offer.
Is it completely disrespectful of her to bring the negotiated salary back to the current owner and give him the opportunity to match it given the opportunity is fairly personal? There are a few other factors in play here that make keeping the current job beneficial for her family.
Anyone have any thoughts or been in a similar situation?
Update: Talked to current owner about promise made, will give her a figure and make decision from there. Thank you all for the feedback, so little trolling, so much genuine input.
Enter the new job opportunity. A sister of an employee is offering her a new position with negotiations on salary ongoing. She's hoping to make it to at least what she should be making now and likely would get that offer.
Is it completely disrespectful of her to bring the negotiated salary back to the current owner and give him the opportunity to match it given the opportunity is fairly personal? There are a few other factors in play here that make keeping the current job beneficial for her family.
Anyone have any thoughts or been in a similar situation?
Update: Talked to current owner about promise made, will give her a figure and make decision from there. Thank you all for the feedback, so little trolling, so much genuine input.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 2:38 pm
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:36 pm to ShamelessPel
It's a negotiation. "I have another job offer. I would like to stay here for various reasons. However i need $xx to stay."
You have to be willing to walk.
You have to be willing to walk.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:37 pm to ShamelessPel
I can't think of anything good that would come out of using the job offer to try and strong arm the current company to give her a raise.
If it's a good offer take it
If it's a good offer take it
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:37 pm to ShamelessPel
Thoughts:
Gf should so what's best for her.
Nobody looks out for are cares for your best interest other than you.
Gf should so what's best for her.
Nobody looks out for are cares for your best interest other than you.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:38 pm to ShamelessPel
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The GF was told she'd be given a raise for moving to admin 2 years ago
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I work there as well
Bad idea.
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Is it completely disrespectful of her to bring the negotiated salary back to the current owner and give him the opportunity to match it given the opportunity is fairly personal?
Why would she have to say where the new job offer came from? Giving a current employer a chance to counteroffer is perfectly acceptable.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:39 pm to ShamelessPel
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Is it completely disrespectful of her to bring the negotiated salary back to the current owner and give him the opportunity to match it given the opportunity is fairly personal?
If she leaves the company if they don't match then I don't see why she should at least give it a try. Just be straight up "I have been offered a job making x amount and I am going to accept it, but it was a difficult decision for me because I really enjoy working here. Before I give them a definite answer I want to ask if there is away you can match the salary I was offered." You can't blame anyone for accepting a job making more money.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:40 pm to yellowfin
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I can't think of anything good that would come out of using the job offer to try and strong arm the current company to give her a raise.
Yellowfin is right.
The current job obviously doesn't respect her as they haven't come through on the original promise. How do you think they are going to treat her once she basically threatens them with this deal? GTFO or shut her mouth and keep working.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:44 pm to ShamelessPel
Is the move a >20% bump, if not stay and look for another opp
And ps never accept your employers counter if matching.
They now hate you and are just buying time to replace you
And ps never accept your employers counter if matching.
They now hate you and are just buying time to replace you
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:46 pm to yellowfin
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I can't think of anything good that would come out of using the job offer to try and strong arm the current company to give her a raise.
It's just a function of demand. If she gets a good offer from this other company, it's proof she is in demand and worth more than what she is working for. Either her company ignores that and she walks, or her company recognizes the new value of their employee and ups her salary to keep her. If she is important to the company, they will match it, and business will go on as usual. If not, then she will leave, but hopefully she is civil in the matter and doesnt burn any bridges over it. But if she burns a bridge, oh well, they treated her like shite and didnt recognize her value, so they wouldnt in the future either
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:46 pm to ShamelessPel
While it always seems like a good idea to show loyalty to the current job, no one forgets you tried to bail. She's "that employee" now... Keep the new deal under wraps and secure it. If offered with a strong offer letter, she needs to take it. Think downstream at the reality she's playing 2 bridges that when burned could be pretty chaotic. No income would suck.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:48 pm to jbgleason
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GTFO or shut her mouth and keep working.
man, you are strict! disagree though, at the minimum she should request a meeting with whoever offered her the promotion with accompanying pay raise to address the fact that she has been working in the position for two years and has not seen the increase in pay, shouldn't have let it go on this though because if she has any balls she should demand the back pay, sounds like a shitty companyPosted on 10/10/16 at 12:48 pm to Sao
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no one forgets you tried to bail. She's "that employee" now...
She's also overpaid compared to similar positions within the company. If things slow down she's the first to be let go
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:49 pm to Sao
Never tried but have her walk in and just ask for a raise to the amount desired, if no, then state that you're putting in your two weeks. With just a "I need time to look elsewhere for professional development, so I can no longer work here"
"I appreciate the opportunity, that you gave me. Thanks"
"I appreciate the opportunity, that you gave me. Thanks"
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:49 pm to jbgleason
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The current job obviously doesn't respect her as they haven't come through on the original promise. How do you think they are going to treat her once she basically threatens them with this deal?
She hasnt had any sway in the matter to convince them to give her the raise. If she's an important employee, and he can prove she is worth more with a better offer from another company, then she has sway in the argument. She has to be willing to walk though
I dont think she can lose in this scenario. Her company takes advantage of her. Either she gets paid more to deal with the same shite, or she leaves those losers and gets paid more elsewhere
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:50 pm to jbgleason
The tricky part is this is not an ordinary offer. It's coming as a recommendation from a friend on behalf of her sister. So if they got to an agreeable offer and she slighted the sister it comes off looking a little as if "thanks for your time but I used you". Remember this employee also works there.
If it weren't for the personal connection this isn't that fuzzy. There are other factors that make keeping the current job ideal, but the disrespect is getting to her as well.
I think current owner would match. I'm more worried it looks as if she is using a personal connection and their time for a raise when in reality she is seriously considering and excited at the new job at the right price. I also think the owner could take it out on her family member if she doesn't give the opportunity to match at all as she's a tether to his job due to importance.
If it weren't for the personal connection this isn't that fuzzy. There are other factors that make keeping the current job ideal, but the disrespect is getting to her as well.
I think current owner would match. I'm more worried it looks as if she is using a personal connection and their time for a raise when in reality she is seriously considering and excited at the new job at the right price. I also think the owner could take it out on her family member if she doesn't give the opportunity to match at all as she's a tether to his job due to importance.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:51 pm to yellowfin
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can't think of anything good that would come out of using the job offer to try and strong arm the current company to give her a raise.
If it's a good offer take it
It's business, not personal. I don't think it's that wrong to say "Look, I really enjoy my job here. I would like to stay. However there's another job offering me x amount more than here. Is there any possibility that you'd be willing to raise me salary to keep me here?"
Make it a business decision and not a personal one, and everyone usually stays a lot calmer and nicer.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:51 pm to ShamelessPel
Since her current employer has broken a promise to give her a raise if she changed positions, she should simply tell her boss that she's been offered another job and that she's prepared to take it.
If her current employer makes a counteroffer, she can consider it, but she should take into account the fact that they've already lied to her about giving her a raise. She should absolutely NOT turn down the other job offer unless her current employer makes a counteroffer in writing.
But if it were me, I would not even consider a counteroffer. Lying to her and breaking a promise should be a dealbreaker. I would look for the first opportunity to leave if that happened to me. It shows that they aren't trustworthy and that they don't value her as much as they said they did. If she accepted a counteroffer, there's always the chance they'd hire a replacement and then lay her off a couple months later.
If her current employer makes a counteroffer, she can consider it, but she should take into account the fact that they've already lied to her about giving her a raise. She should absolutely NOT turn down the other job offer unless her current employer makes a counteroffer in writing.
But if it were me, I would not even consider a counteroffer. Lying to her and breaking a promise should be a dealbreaker. I would look for the first opportunity to leave if that happened to me. It shows that they aren't trustworthy and that they don't value her as much as they said they did. If she accepted a counteroffer, there's always the chance they'd hire a replacement and then lay her off a couple months later.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:51 pm to Kujo
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They now hate you and are just buying time to replace you
If that person has another job offer and the company they currently works for is offended by the offer, why would they offer them more to buy time to replace them when they could just let the person take the other job? To let them stay around until they replace the person would cost them more.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:54 pm to OweO
quote:They'd do it so they don't have to work understaffed before filling the position. Giving someone a token raise for a month or two isn't very expensive, but working understaffed can be expensive in terms of productivity. You lose 100% of the value of that employee, whereas giving them a temporary raise until you replace them only costs 5-10% of the value of that employee. And they'd almost certainly replace her for less than they pay her now, so they'd save money in the long run.
If that person has another job offer and the company they currently works for is offended by the offer, why would they offer them more to buy time to replace them when they could just let the person take the other job? To let them stay around until they replace the person would cost them more.
They already fricked her over once and they will absolutely frick her over again if it's advantageous of them to do so.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:55 pm to ShamelessPel
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The tricky part is this is not an ordinary offer. It's coming as a recommendation from a friend on behalf of her sister. So if they got to an agreeable offer and she slighted the sister it comes off looking a little as if "thanks for your time but I used you". Remember this employee also works ther
It's not tricky. I go where the $$ is, it's up to my direct supervisors to recognize the work I'm doing, or in your case, keep an agreement that was in place for more $$. If they don't, they can suck a fat one and I'll move on to a better gig.
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