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re: Podcast Thread: “Undisclosed: The State v. Adnan Syed” begins April 13th
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:03 pm to Pax Regis
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:03 pm to Pax Regis
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One thing the politically correct crew at NPR totally avoid mentioning is the attitude toward women in the the muslim culture.
No. They talked about it in the very beginning and explored the possible role of his muslim religion and culture in detail in later episodes.
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:17 pm to FootballNostradamus
Either way, adnan was with Jay at that other girls house not long after.
Motive may not be a requirement, but the narrator should not have mad such a big issue about the lack of motive for adnon without also admitting there was no motive for Jay.
Motive may not be a requirement, but the narrator should not have mad such a big issue about the lack of motive for adnon without also admitting there was no motive for Jay.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:24 pm to Pettifogger
That fricking chimp
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:33 pm to Creamer
quote:She never said, nor insinuated that Jay did it. So why would she even have to bring that up? It's unnecessary.
Either way, adnan was with Jay at that other girls house not long after.
Motive may not be a requirement, but the narrator should not have mad such a big issue about the lack of motive for adnon without also admitting there was no motive for Jay.
Besides according to Jay's intercept interview, most of the story at trial was false (now the burial occurred after midnight) so being at that girl's house doesn't matter in the newest (of many) timelines.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:54 pm to buckeye_vol
Outside of wanting an interesting ending I cannot see how anyone can think Adnan is innocent. How can Adnan not remember anything important about the most important day of his life. (Important to mention here that Jay is nonstop scorched for having a shaky memory) if anything different happened it is that jay was more involved than what was let on. Jay rolled first and that got him off. Adnan couldn't roll on Jay or he would definitely have to admit some guilt. So Adnan is definitely guilty and Jay may or may not be guilty of murder.
To everyone saying they wouldn't take a lie detector test what in the heck does he have to lose at this point? If I were 100% innocent I would be begging to take one. They made a big deal about the janitor taking one but not a peep about the Adnan not taking one. It should have at least been discussed on the show bc of the janitor discussion. But the narrows for avoided to make Adnan comstantly look innocent and listeners get interested. A guilty Adnan does not get attention.
To everyone saying they wouldn't take a lie detector test what in the heck does he have to lose at this point? If I were 100% innocent I would be begging to take one. They made a big deal about the janitor taking one but not a peep about the Adnan not taking one. It should have at least been discussed on the show bc of the janitor discussion. But the narrows for avoided to make Adnan comstantly look innocent and listeners get interested. A guilty Adnan does not get attention.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:00 pm to buckeye_vol
Just because she claimed to be neutral does not mean she was.
She spent the majority of the podcast building evidence against Jay and refuting evidence against adnan.
She spent the majority of the podcast building evidence against Jay and refuting evidence against adnan.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:07 pm to lsu13lsu
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How can Adnan not remember anything important about the most important day of his life.
Because if he is innocent, there was nothing important about it. They discussed this at length and how we have much better memories of events on days where big events happened, but not so much for other days.
I don't think they started asking him about the details of that day until a few weeks later. What did you wear to school or work 5 Tuesdays ago? Who did you talk to? What was for lunch? What time did you do what? Did you call anyone?
I have no idea. No reason to remember. (They also discussed how today we have an electronic trail from texts, Facebook, etc. that makes it easier to refresh our memory. That did not exist at the time of the crime.)
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:36 pm to lsu13lsu
quote:It's only that important in hindsight. If he is innocent, then it was not an especially notable day. In fact, the state's witness testified how high Adnan was; that could likely have a detrimental on his memory. The only possible notable moment (when he was high at that) was the phone call from the police; however, that was only a few hours after Hae went missing. Not exactly uncommon for teenagers to be unaccounted for hours at a time. The vast majority of the time they return.
How can Adnan not remember anything important about the most important day of his life
Besides Adnan provided details about that day, just like any day. It's not like he forgot every detail. If there was no reason to encode more specific details, then a memory is far less likely to be encoded and stored for later retrieval; that's pretty basic cognitive psychology.
quote:His complete story changed multiple times. That's not likely to be a result of a changing memory.
(Important to mention here that Jay is nonstop scorched for having a shaky memory
According to Jay's most recent interview in The Intercept, the complete timeline from the trial is incorrect. Not to mention the location where he first saw the car and the conversation that led to "premeditation." Basically he has described an entirely new narrative (one of many).
quote:Do you understand that the lie detectors are not accurate. It has no practical value. He might as well just flip a coin (heads he's innocent; tails he's guilty). They are inadmissable in court because they aren't accurate.
To everyone saying they wouldn't take a lie detector test what in the heck does he have to lose at this point?
quote:And that would be a poor request by you. It's not an accurate test; in other words, it has not practical value.
If I were 100% innocent I would be begging to take one
quote:You don't seem to understand that it is junk science. I can only imagine that detectives use it as a tactic, not for the test itself, but to impact the behavior (and hopefully ignorance of the test) of the individual taking the test.
hey made a big deal about the janitor taking one but not a peep about the Adnan not taking one. It should have at least been discussed on the show bc of the janitor discussion.
Regardless, it would have been pointless to focus on junk science that wasn't a part of the case. Might as well question why they didn't the Long Island Medium talk to Hae if we are going to bring non-used junk science into it.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:39 pm to Creamer
quote:She didn't bring any evidence against Jay, besides his inconsistencies, but those were related to ADNAN's guilt/innocence not Jay's. There is a lot more shady stuff about Jay (read the Serial subreddit) that was never brought up. Again, Jay only looked as shady or guilty as his own stories made him look.
She spent the majority of the podcast building evidence against Jay and refuting evidence against adnan.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:42 pm to Creamer
quote:No she didn't. She provided the information that was suppressed during the actual trial.
She spent the majority of the podcast building evidence against Jay and refuting evidence against adnan.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:13 am to buckeye_vol
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It's only that important in hindsight. If he is innocent, then it was not an especially notable day.
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The only possible notable moment (when he was high at that) was the phone call from the police; however, that was only a few hours after Hae went missing
The day a girl you loved disappeared and the cops were calling you (as a High School kid) is not notable? I get if it was 20 years ago. But if my extremely recent ex, whom I loved, disappeared a week ago I would remember that entire day. I would think it through entirely and recall what I did that day. Even if I wasn't going to be questioned that day would be important. He even thought he would be questioned about it so he thought at the time her disappearance was "notable".
However, compare that to Jay, he has trouble remembering that day and he is crucified. Jay runs his mouth so he appears like he is lying but could it just be memory like Adnan?
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:20 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:14 am to Twenty 49
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Because if he is innocent, there was nothing important about it
A high school kid whose very recent ex whom he loved disappeared and the cops called him. That seems important.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:24 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:16 am to Twenty 49
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Because if he is innocent, there was nothing important about it
His very recent ex whom he loved disappeared and he thought he would be questioned about it. That seems important.
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What did you wear to school or work 5 Tuesdays ago? Who did you talk to? What was for lunch? What time did you do what? Did you call anyone?
Did my gf or best friend or anyone very important disappear that day?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:24 am to lsu13lsu
quote:That day, or even the next couple (I think school was called off then it was the weekend) there was no way for the high school students to know that she was actually missing, let alone murdered.
The day a girl you loved disappeared and the cops were calling you (as a High School kid) is not notable?
The cops called early in the evening. That's only a few hours after school. Why would any person suspect something nefarious and/or concerning (parents aside) after seeing somebody a few hours before?
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:29 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:29 am to buckeye_vol
I will say this, the story is biased and brought on by his family friend. His family is sponsoring the new story. If anyone thinks the original story was not created to place doubt on the case then they are crazy. No one would listen otherwise. So it was inherently biased.
No one is pushing Hae's or Jay's story in an organized and strategic manner. Jay is dumb as crap and Adnan was an honors student.
I will also say he should have never been convicted in the first place. Terrible attorney situation and Jay is not even a bad witness. He is terrible. But, nothing on this podcast led me to believe he was innocent at all.
That said he should be free but I don't feel sorry for him.
No one is pushing Hae's or Jay's story in an organized and strategic manner. Jay is dumb as crap and Adnan was an honors student.
I will also say he should have never been convicted in the first place. Terrible attorney situation and Jay is not even a bad witness. He is terrible. But, nothing on this podcast led me to believe he was innocent at all.
That said he should be free but I don't feel sorry for him.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:30 am to buckeye_vol
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The cops called early in the evening. That's only a few hours after school. Why would any person suspect something nefarious and/or concerning (parents aside) after seeing somebody a few hours before?
Cops call me in high school or any other "all american honors student" it is a notable day. I don't care what anyone says. Nefarious or not.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:35 am to lsu13lsu
quote:Fair enough. Obviously with him being found guilty, it's reasonable for the viewer to start with the presumption of guilt. That being said, if we start with the presumption of innocence--like the juries are supposed to--then it's hard to say "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt." I'm not in the innocent camp, but I'm not in the guilty camp. I am in the "not enough to convict camp" though.
But, nothing on this podcast led me to believe he was innocent at all.
That said he should be free but I don't feel sorry for him.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:36 am to lsu13lsu
quote:He was extremely high; Besides the police calling would make that call salient, not the relatively mundane aspects of entire day.
Cops call me in high school or any other "all american honors student" it is a notable day. I don't care what anyone says. Nefarious or not.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:37 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:39 am to buckeye_vol
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He was extremely high; Besides the police calling would make that call salient, not the relatively mundane aspects of entire day.
Not saying I have ever smoked. But, if I had smoked hypothetically, and the cops called trust me I would have been so paranoid it would have made me memorize that entire day.
The crux of all of this is Jay. He was such a bad witness even if he was telling the truth. Also, Adnan's attorney was doing terrible work. He should have never been convicted even if guilty.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:44 am to lsu13lsu
quote:I think you are overrating the capability to accurately form memories post-hoc, made worse without the benefit of retrieval cues (e.g., photos, social media, etc.) for accurate recall.
Not saying I have ever smoked. But, if I had smoked hypothetically, and the cops called trust me I would have been so paranoid it would have made me memorize that entire day.
quote:Agreed.
The crux of all of this is Jay. He was such a bad witness even if he was telling the truth. Also, Adnan's attorney was doing terrible work. He should have never been convicted even if guilty.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:50 am
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