re: OT on Mental Health

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yall make up the most bizarre shite about me its insane

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you calling me a liar

I know you said yall were on a balcony and you peed on her leg or something like that

don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining

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The DSM recognizes 9 disorders as they relate to substance abuse but the initial abuse is what causes the disorders not the other way around.

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Question, if there is no baseline pre-substance abuse then how do you go about confirming this? Always wonder issues could have been present pre and post use.

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Hallucinogen persisting perceptual disorder

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Is it common for this to still be present for years after being clean? Im speaking in mild forms. A lot of people I've meant have issues with perception of objects, in terms of taking longer to understand exactly what they are seeing and/or mistake it for something else. Not so much in the perception of a situation taking place.

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The serious mental illnesses (Major Depression, Schizophrenia, Bi-polar, etc.) are disorders of the brain. Saying these are a product of "not taking responsibility" is like blaming the person with diabetes or heart disease for their illness

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Correct. Should have clarified a little more. Was speaking to the disorders which are over diagnosed and/or misdiagnosed.

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The DSM recognizes 9 disorders as they relate to substance abuse but the initial abuse is what causes the disorders not the other way around.

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Dude you are pretty difficult to try and level with. I wrote after that statement of opinion that it is not particularly useful in this discussion. For being someone that is suggesting having superior knowledge in this area, you are sort of just creating arguments rather than giving any practical insight. Further, you first stated that it was "asinine" to suggest that they go hand in hand, but here you are citing 9 somewhat common disorders with a "substance-induced" prefixed to them, yet still stand by your claim that that they do not (go hand in hand)?

So judging by your post above, in the presence of substances; mood, anxiety and sleep disorders can only be caused by substances, and not exacerbated by them?

Of course "Substance-induced anxiety disorder" is caused by substances, it says so in the fcking name. Does that mean that people suffering from other sorts of anxiety disorders cannot also suffer from substance abuse issues?

From DSM:

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Substance Abuse:manifested by one or more of the following, occurring within a 12-month period:

- Recurrent substance use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home
(e.g. repeated absences or poor work performance related to substance use; substance-related absences,
suspensions, or expulsions from school; neglect of children or household)
• Recurrent substance use in situations in which it is physically hazardous (e.g. driving an automobile or
operating a machine when impaired)
• Recurrent substance-related legal problems (e.g. arrests for substance-related disorderly conduct)
• Continued substance use despite persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused
or exacerbated by the effects of the substance (e.g. arguments with spouse about consequences
of intoxication, physical fights)

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I would say that those conditions are in line with how most people think of substance abuse, and not necessarily associated with mental disorders. Now, are you seriously claiming that if anyone shows any of the characteristics above, can only have a mental disorder, like anxiety, as a result of the conditions listed above?

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Dude you are pretty difficult to try and level with. I wrote after that statement of opinion that it is not particularly useful in this discussion. For being someone that is suggesting having superior knowledge in this area, you are sort of just creating arguments rather than giving any practical insight. Further, you first stated that it was "asinine" to suggest that they go hand in hand, but here you are citing 9 somewhat common disorders with a "substance-induced" prefixed to them, yet still stand by your claim that that they do not (go hand in hand)?

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They are most certainly not commonly diagnosed.

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So judging by your post above, in the presence of substances; mood, anxiety and sleep disorders can only be caused by substances, and not exacerbated by them?

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Of course they can.

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Of course "Substance-induced anxiety disorder" is caused by substances, it says so in the fcking name. Does that mean that people suffering from other sorts of anxiety disorders cannot also suffer from substance abuse issues?

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Again, of course they can. Both just aren't present at the same time as often as you think they are.

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disagree. try telling number 3 to a schizophrenia patient.

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I agree with you. But schizophrenia is in the 1-2% of all mental illness. It exists in every culture, throughout all of time.

I was referencing the 10,000 other diagnoses that we keep inventing for $$.

My bad for not being clearer.

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Again, of course they can. Both just aren't present at the same time as often as you think they are.

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This. I went in before getting clean thinking I had real issues. Without the presence of drugs and recognizing my issues are mostly personality disorders I got off all my medication for depression.

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Again, of course they can. Both just aren't present at the same time as often as you think they are.

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You have presented absolutely nothing to the contrary, you do realize that right? I provided a link to a government backed site that provides at least some sort of evidence that they are significant correlations. Again, you haven't provided anything to refute this.

And for the last time, I told you I am not relying on those stats to support my initial argument, and have based everything I have said in this thread beyond my first post, on your replies directly to me. You are talking in circles about something YOU brought up, not me. I'm not sure why you keep arguing about something that doesn't even support my argument in the first place.

So mental illness and substance addiction have nothing to do with each other. Cool. Both of these issues still have everything to do with the individual and their particular environment and emotional state; that is why their are 9 fcking mental disorders, that you so helpfully provided to us, that are essentially the same thing as regular disorders without the presence of any substances, with a "substance-induced" tacked onto them. There are like a million different "mental disorders" because of their inherent uniqueness to the subject.

What's fascinating to me is especially in the Deep South , there are many, many conservatives who believe the Bible to be infallibly true.

The hypocrisy comes in where a person claims to believe in the Bible, but claims they do not believe in the supernatural.

After the Holy Spirit sparked inside of man with a flame, Power was given: supernatural healing, raising people from the dead, casting out demons, etc.....

Do people that believe, also believe that very same power spoken of in Acts has simply gone away?

Reminds me of the passage speaking of those "Having a form of godliness, but denying its power. (Somewhere in the epistles )