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re: OT history buffs,state your case for most militarily successful elected leader
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:03 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:03 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Oliver Cromwell was a complete incompetent once he was in power. Hard to like the guy
I don't know about that, but he was militarily successful.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:04 pm to Dire Wolf
Was Genghis Khan elected? If so he's the answer. Didn't think Mongols held elections though.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:04 pm to biglego
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Oliver Cromwell is the answer
Please tell me why. I'm legit curious what makes him a successful military leader during his elected tenure.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:05 pm to Sampson
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A case could be made for ole slick willy too
you just got my vote for funniest poster
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:06 pm to biglego
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Didn't think Mongols held elections though
More like a contest: whoever has the largest pile of human skulls was the winner.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:07 pm to biglego
quote:sure they did
Didn't think Mongols held elections
but you don't want to know what they meant by "hanging chads"
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:10 pm to Kafka
making up ground for my late push for THE CARLIN nomination 
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:11 pm to jonboy
Very much like the Khals in game of thrones
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:11 pm to AbitaFan08
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Abraham Lincoln. Because he fought America with America and bested America.
This would be true except for one small detail... technically Lincoln did not live to see the end of the Civil War. Yes Lee had surrendered on April 9 and Lincoln did not die until April 15. But at that time there were still significant Confederate forces in the field (see General Joseph E. Johnston and the Army of Tennessee). In addition to this, there were still functioning Confederate political & military apparatuses in many areas of the South. Here's a list of surrenders that happened after Lincoln died...
Surrender of General Joseph E. Johnston The Army of Tennessee (April 26)
Surrender of the Confederate departments of Alabama, Mississippi and East Louisiana regiments (May 4)
Surrender of the Confederate District of the Gulf (May 5)
Andrew Johnson's May 9 declaration (May 9)
Capture of President Davis (May 10)
Surrender of the Confederate Department of Florida and South Georgia (May 10)
Surrender of the Northern Sub-District of Arkansas (May 11)
Surrender of Confederate forces of North Georgia (May 12)
The Battle at Palmito Ranch (May 12)
Surrender of Kirby Smith (May 26)
Surrender of Cherokee chief Stand Watie (June 23)
Surrender of CSS Shenandoah (November 6)
And finally, the act that officially ended the American Civil War came in On August 20, 1866, then President Andrew Johnson signed a Proclamation declaring that...
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Peace, Order, Tranquility, and Civil Authority Now Exists in and Throughout the Whole of the United States of America.
So the truth of the matter is that the Civil War officially ended almost a year and a half after Lincoln died.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:13 pm to WeeWee
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FDR
He died before the end of WWII. In fact Hitler saw his death as "divine intervention".
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:13 pm to Darth_Vader
Glad you called him out Darth, I didn't have the energy for that one. Abe was far too honest, passive and most importantly not alive to be a military boss.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:15 pm to Darth_Vader
Those are all excellent points, except...
....America.
I think that settles that.
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....America.
I think that settles that.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:16 pm to Darth_Vader
Adolf was nothing more than a master manipulator. He was a joke when it came to making strategic military decisions, his generals made him look good.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:19 pm to AbitaFan08
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Those are all excellent points, except...
....America.
I think that settles that.
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The criteria was for a political leader at the END of a war. Lincoln was a corpse when the war ended. Sorry, facts are facts.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:22 pm to Darth_Vader
There is a long and proven history that America > Facts.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:25 pm to Sampson
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Please tell me why. I'm legit curious what makes him a successful military leader during his elected tenure.
Nothing but that requirement wasnt in the OP
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:27 pm to OWLFAN86
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OT history buffs,state your case for most militarily successful elected leader
At the end of any given war or conflict ?
Based on this, I think an argument can be made that none other than James K. Polk at the end of the Mexican-American War is the most successful elected leader at the end of any given war. Perhaps a case could be made for William McKinley at the end of the Spanish-American War as well.
In both cases they held the office of POTUS while the US won easy victories that in both cases added significant territories and prestige to the US.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:27 pm to OWLFAN86
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In 221, Hasdrubal was murdered and the Carthaginian soldiers in Iberia elected Hannibal as their commander
Oops - not successful in the end and poisoned himself.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:31 pm to Tigris
But Carthage lost
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:32 pm to Tigris
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Hannibal as their commander
Lost to Scipio - who was elected unanimously consul.
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