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Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:36 pm to jg8623
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These threads are always so entertaining
It's just silly that anyone gives a frick what someone does on their on free time.
The fact that you can show up to work sober and get fired for a joint you smoked two weeks ago is beyond retarded. You can go out and do a bunch of booze and coke and piss clean in a couple of days. You can show up hungover as balls and its tolerated.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:37 pm to Rebel
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An alcohol test by ldetecting a specific BAC.
Test for weed doesn't hit on THC, the ingredient that makes you high.
It tests for THC-C which is what the enzyme the liver breaks THC during metabolation.
He's right about THC. It's looking for the metabolites. And it depends on whether they are using a rapid test which will determine if you've hit a certain cutoff level for it or not on the spot, or if they're using lab testing which is going to see if there's any at all. You aren't beating a lab spectrograph. And that metabolite can take months to get out of your system based on your body fat, metabolism, etc. If you're a big ole boy, it's going to be there longer.
As for alcohol, they can test that in urine as well and catch you drinking as far back as five days ago with an ETG test. Which can also be done as a rapid or at a lab.
If you want to beat a drug test, the only way you're going to be guaranteed is don't have it in your system. If they use a rapid test cup or dip card and you test positive, they're sending it to a lab for a forensic confirmation. So the idea that you can blow a test and then take it over the next day is EXTREMELY unlikely if it's for employment. They will seal that first one up, have you sign it, seal it in a bag, have you sign that, and then it goes to the lab and it's pretty much 100% bulletproof that if you failed it you're about to fail the lab test. Rapids only are wrong about 1% of the time. False positives are rarely proven.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:02 am to Captain Rumbeard
quote:Ive has dummies pass a "drug store/walk in clinic" test" to see if they are safe to apply and then fail the company test not knowing we can test at different cutoff levels. Sure you can pass that walk in clinic test at 50mg and then come to us and fail cause we set the cutoff on hair at 2mg.
f you want to beat a drug test, the only way you're going to be guaranteed is don't have it in your system. If they use a rapid test cup or dip card and you test positive,
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:07 am to Barf
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You can show up hungover as balls and its tolerated.
Not where I work. You show up half drunk/hungover and frick around and do something stupid - that will be the last time.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:26 am to SeauxLeauxHeaux
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For instance if you are not working directly for the plants but for a construction company doing work inside the plant
We require every person coming on site have a DISA drug test specific with our requirements to check for synthetics within 30 days of coming here and are subject to random test at any time. Before a company can even come on site to work they have to go through an extensive prequalification process that includes an EHS review where they look at the contractors drug testing policies. If they don't have random, pre-hire, for cause, and post incident testing included they aren't allowed in.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:29 am to SeauxLeauxHeaux
They probably Drug Test you at the Front Gate/Guard Shack.
Alabama Power Steam Plants do that to contractors.
Alabama Power Steam Plants do that to contractors.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:40 am to djangochained
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And they mainly checking contractor parking areas
we brought them out to a turnaround lunch tent and busted a few with alcohol in drink bottles and some weed. We bring them in at least once or twice a month
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:24 am to RealityTiger
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Not where I work. You show up half drunk/hungover and frick around and do something stupid - that will be the last time.
If you show up hungover you should get tossed before you have the chance frick around to do something stupid.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:38 am to Barf
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If you show up hungover you should get tossed before you have the chance frick around to do something stupid.
I agree with you....If you ran a plant and knew someone smoked weed and he was driving a forklift and ran into something that caused an explosion or something that may kill people how would you feel???? I know the same can happen with a guy that may come to work drunk and do the same thing, But its easier to mask being high than it is to being drunk.... I have no problem with a dude smoking weed on his time as long as hes straight while on MY time.... Same with drinking... Now any other druds without a script I would not tolerate....
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:53 am to dukke v
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If you ran a plant and knew someone smoked weed and he was driving a forklift and ran into something that caused an explosion or something that may kill people how would you feel???? I
Depends. Was he high when he caused the accident? If not, I don't see what smoking weed a few days before would have to do with anything. High, drunk, or hungover should all be treated with equal intolerance.
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I have no problem with a dude smoking weed on his time as long as hes straight while on MY time.... Same with drinking...
Smart man. This is the way it should be.
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Now any other druds without a script I would not tolerate....
Even with a script you shouldn't be allowed to work on opiates. Even if prescription pills are being used illegally it should have no effect on someones job as long as they are using on their own time and not coming into work under the influence.
Things you have done yesterday, should have no effect on your liability today. Yesterday is over, it's no longer part of the equation. If you can someone for smoking weed a week ago you're not saving the planet or doing anything noble. It's just a way for companies to pass off their liability.
"oh he had an accident at work? Well it looks like he smoked a joint 20 days ago, so obviously it's not our fault"
Posted on 4/8/16 at 9:04 am to Barf
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Depends. Was he high when he caused the accident?
Yes he was high but you could not tell....
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Even with a script you shouldn't be allowed to work on opiates.
This is what I meant... If I knew he was on any kind of mind altering meds I would give him other duties or he stays home...
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Things you have done yesterday, should have no effect on your liability today. Yesterday is over, it's no longer part of the equation. If you can someone for smoking weed a week ago you're not saving the planet or doing anything noble. It's just a way for companies to pass off their liability.
I agree with all of this... I am a yard manager for a scaffold company. In charge of drivers and workers in the yard, pulling orders and driving forklifts.. So I have to be alert to how my crew is up to. However. I went like 7-8 years and drank 7-8 16 oz beers every night and showed up the next day ready to go. On the weekends it may have been more.. But I was on call 24/7 so I had to moderate in case of having to go in...I was never drunk when called out.I KNEW BETTER. The guys that would come in I knew which ones could do what... I would love to smoke a joint every once in a while down at my friends camp on the weekends. But I can't... One of the best yard workers I have ever had was a meth head but never came to work while on it. But one day he had something real shitty happen to him and I could tell he was different and had to run him off.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 9:12 am to Barf
Here is what I know:
all drugs are undetectable in urine after 48 hours, exceptions are some Barbituartes, TCH, and PCP.
It's not a folicle test. It is a hair test. Folicle is below the skin.
Labs want at least 1.5 inches of hair from the head. If not long enough to present an approximate 90 usage window, then hair from other body areas is used.
Hair on your arm or leg has been there a long time. No one knows for sure. Therefore the window is certainly beyond the 90 days.
DISA forces you into rehab. This can be very expensive.
Some facilities don't care if DISA has allowed you to return, they simply have a one strike, zero tolerance rule and you are banned for life from all of their facilities.
THC is not going to be detectable in urine 21 days after your last hit. I always get arguments on this one.
Occasional THC use will not be a problem after 2 - 3 days. In other words, enjoy yourself friday, and pass on Monday morning.
Random frequency: Most industrial contractors have to test 10% of their crew monthly. Your number could come up every month because the pool doesn't exclude you if your were picked last month. Random means everyone has the same chance of being selected every time.
That is all.
all drugs are undetectable in urine after 48 hours, exceptions are some Barbituartes, TCH, and PCP.
It's not a folicle test. It is a hair test. Folicle is below the skin.
Labs want at least 1.5 inches of hair from the head. If not long enough to present an approximate 90 usage window, then hair from other body areas is used.
Hair on your arm or leg has been there a long time. No one knows for sure. Therefore the window is certainly beyond the 90 days.
DISA forces you into rehab. This can be very expensive.
Some facilities don't care if DISA has allowed you to return, they simply have a one strike, zero tolerance rule and you are banned for life from all of their facilities.
THC is not going to be detectable in urine 21 days after your last hit. I always get arguments on this one.
Occasional THC use will not be a problem after 2 - 3 days. In other words, enjoy yourself friday, and pass on Monday morning.
Random frequency: Most industrial contractors have to test 10% of their crew monthly. Your number could come up every month because the pool doesn't exclude you if your were picked last month. Random means everyone has the same chance of being selected every time.
That is all.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:01 am to SeauxLeauxHeaux
I know several people who were hair tested by oil companies for desk jobs
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:31 am to TMT_30312
This is part of the reason my father and I left the business. Contracts started to come in with crazy drug testing policies that even included our administrative branch. frick. That. If they wanted their own employees they need to hire their own employees, we refused to be treated like a franchise.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:56 am to SeauxLeauxHeaux
Most are moving towards the hair follicle testing. Doesn't matter if you've traveled to a state where it was legal, you still can't work if you're positive.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:59 am to SeauxLeauxHeaux
Some have gone to hair samples. Just stay clean and you won't have any issues. 
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