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NOLA flood insurance premiums with & without elevation certificates
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:42 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:42 am
I'm shopping for flood insurance on a midcity house. It was built in 1960 but renovated this year (new roof, new plumbing, new electrical, etc). There was no elevation certificate on file so we're having a surveyor go out to the property this week. The house is raised about 2 feet. Without the EC, we got quoted $3,000/year premium for flood. I'm not sure what the average premium is but that sounds crazy to me. I can't seem to find average flood insurance rates by zip code. How much do people pay for flood in the city (in a flood zone)?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:45 am to 4cubbies
Well at least the crime rate is low there and you can send your kids to public schools.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:46 am to soccerfüt
What does any of that have to do with flood insurance?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:48 am to 4cubbies
I thought flood insurance was set by the government. Its all based on flood zones and elevation.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:51 am to 4cubbies
I pay about $2300 for a split-level in Lakeview, so depending on the size of your house 3k isn't that far off.
However, FEMA just updated the maps and, once approved, a lot of homes will see their rates drop.
However, FEMA just updated the maps and, once approved, a lot of homes will see their rates drop.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:52 am to tipup
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set by the government. Its all based on flood zones and elevation.
And what's crazy is one year you cannot be in a flood plain, and the next year, they change the maps and you are in a flood plain.
Crazy shite. I know some people that tried to sell their house and it was in a flood zone. They couldn't sell it because mortgage companies make it mandatory for you to buy flood insurance before lending the money to purchase the home. Buyers couldn't afford the note plus the premium, which was higher than the house note.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:52 am to BlastOff
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I pay about $2300 for a split-level in Lakeview, so depending on the size of your house 3k isn't that far off.
how much is your homewoners insurance? (if you don't mind me asking)
Posted on 5/17/16 at 6:56 am to 4cubbies
mine had went up to $2300, so I went and got a EC, and it showed that the builder had lied about the house elevation to the parish government. So I got no help out of doing that.
But the local city government did help out with a private insurance company. Dropped down to $1050.
Maybe you should call them:
Aundrea Allen - Safe Source Insurance 225 300 4500
But the local city government did help out with a private insurance company. Dropped down to $1050.
Maybe you should call them:
Aundrea Allen - Safe Source Insurance 225 300 4500
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 6:57 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:01 am to lsufan112001
Thanks so much for that info. What part of the city do you live in?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:05 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:08 am to 4cubbies
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I can't seem to find average flood insurance rates by zip code
Because it is not dependent on zip code, it is dependent on how high above the Base Flood Elevation your bottom floor is.
$3K is right for no certificate or below BFE.
Get an EC and you could be $600 for full $250K coverage if you are above BFE.
Its a national program, so agents can't offer you a better deal, it just all depends on how high your bottom living floor is.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:11 am to Lakefront-Tiger
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Its a national program, so agents can't offer you a better deal, it just all depends on how high your bottom living floor is.
Ah, gotcha. The EC will help, then. I think our neighborhood is -1.5' elevation, but our house is raised about 2 feet so hopefully that will save us. I was really not expecting such insane insurance premiums.
Thanks for the info
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:12 am to 4cubbies
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we got quoted $3,000/year premium
at 3.5% interest, that's $56,000 more in house you could have bought in a non-flood area
Had to have this debate with my realtor who wanted me to buy another house that was $30k more and in a flood area. She couldn't understand how I kept telling her that it's $70k more expensive than the other home.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 7:15 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:21 am to 4cubbies
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how much is your homewoners insurance? (if you don't mind me asking)
$5300
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:23 am to Kujo
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She couldn't understand how I kept telling her that it's $70k more expensive than the other home.
It's more than even that, because you never get to STOP paying for flood insurance. So it's an expense that will never go away.
But, we are suckers because we are willfully buying in an area that floods.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:25 am to 4cubbies
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But, we are suckers because we are willfully buying in an area that floods.
You get to remodel every 20 years for only $5000
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:27 am to Kujo
Flood insurance through the NFIP is the same for everyone, so the only difference in premium would be the fees by your agent.
The high quote you are getting is the worse case scenario, where they look at the elevation for your area and list you as below it. The reason for the elevation certificate is to show your height as compared to the base flood elevation for your area. It has nothing to do with how high your piers are, it has to do with the elevation of your home compared to the base flood.
The certificate could help or hurt you, but it is usually worth the money. If it doesn't help you, you don't have to use that agent and policy, just go to another agent and don't show it to them.
The flood zones are based on risk and the probability of a 100 year flood event. There are spots in NOLA that although they are below sea level, don't require flood. The real issue is that with all the money FEMA has paid out throughout flooded areas across the country, they have decided to spread the risk out and increase their premium base by putting more people in flood zones.
The quote could only be from two insurance sources-NFIP or a private company like LLoyd's; that is why NFIP was developed. Private insurers are way more than NFIP.
Insurance in NOLA is expensive regardless, so if you were in an area that had flood water and property loss or there is an old certificate on file (agent had the prior owner's policy) you are probably going to pay high. It is the price you pay for the Katrina payouts and the poor infrastructure, etc., etc. etc.
The high quote you are getting is the worse case scenario, where they look at the elevation for your area and list you as below it. The reason for the elevation certificate is to show your height as compared to the base flood elevation for your area. It has nothing to do with how high your piers are, it has to do with the elevation of your home compared to the base flood.
The certificate could help or hurt you, but it is usually worth the money. If it doesn't help you, you don't have to use that agent and policy, just go to another agent and don't show it to them.
The flood zones are based on risk and the probability of a 100 year flood event. There are spots in NOLA that although they are below sea level, don't require flood. The real issue is that with all the money FEMA has paid out throughout flooded areas across the country, they have decided to spread the risk out and increase their premium base by putting more people in flood zones.
The quote could only be from two insurance sources-NFIP or a private company like LLoyd's; that is why NFIP was developed. Private insurers are way more than NFIP.
Insurance in NOLA is expensive regardless, so if you were in an area that had flood water and property loss or there is an old certificate on file (agent had the prior owner's policy) you are probably going to pay high. It is the price you pay for the Katrina payouts and the poor infrastructure, etc., etc. etc.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:30 am to 4cubbies
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NOLA flood insurance
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It was built in 1960
did it flood with Camille?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:48 am to 4cubbies
So midcity is your safe and affordable neighborhood...
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:50 am to 4cubbies
There is no average. It all depends on your home's elevation in the particular zone you are in. Obviously... If all the homes are the same elevation there is, but other than that no. It doesn't matter if the house is raised 5ft. If the BFE is higher then it doesn't matter, you will have to pay.
You bought a home in a flood zone and if you are below the BFE you are fricked. If every agent quotes you correctly you will have the same cost at every company as it is a NFIP rate. If you get a quote that's really off of the others and cheaper, stay away b/c it's most likely wrong.
Unfortunately, it is what it is.... Look on your certificate and find BFE and if that number is higher than your lowest floor then there is nothing you can do.
Not being a dick, but that's something you should look at prior to buying a home.
You bought a home in a flood zone and if you are below the BFE you are fricked. If every agent quotes you correctly you will have the same cost at every company as it is a NFIP rate. If you get a quote that's really off of the others and cheaper, stay away b/c it's most likely wrong.
Unfortunately, it is what it is.... Look on your certificate and find BFE and if that number is higher than your lowest floor then there is nothing you can do.
Not being a dick, but that's something you should look at prior to buying a home.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 8:14 am
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