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re: New toy for your travel ball teams
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:08 am to Jon A thon
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:08 am to Jon A thon
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Same here. I live in The Woodlands. I think they have something like 20 seniors on the team. I believe they have a 30 man roster for each Varsity, JV, and Fresh/Soph teams. I was an all-district/all-region player my senior year and don't know if I would have been able to make the Varsity team. It's all due to the availability of high quality competition in the area, plus the much larger size of the schools in general.
Luckily there are enough tournaments here that you don't really have to travel. It's more "select" ball. My son isn't up to that level yet and plays regular little league. But he's only 7 and we've recognized that if he does love the game, it's going to take work to make a select team to get the quality practice it takes to make a high school team. No doubt 7 is young to push something like that on a kid, but at the same time the kids who do it have a fundamental understanding of the game that is above and beyond the kids in regular rec ball. We've gone to practices with them and it's astounding the textbook swings some of these kids have. I'm sure their parents paid quite a bit for the lessons.
I can admit that I live vicariously through him ( ), because I just have always loved being around baseball. But I will always stop short of forcing it. However while he shows the interest and asks to try out, I'll help where I can to let him go as far as he can.
houston area has great ball, some of the best in the country. South louisiana is great, but houston area is even better.
you are doing it right....but i will say the easiest time to make a team is at 8. its when most teams start and when rec ball kids are closest to the travel ball kids. the gap widens immediately.
as far as lessons, earlier you can start hitting lessons the better. They are not that much. if you have a great instructor than you dont need more than once or at the very max 2x a week. and 2x would only be to start. Hardball academy and josh carthart is in pearaland i beleive and is very good. dunno about many others in that area, but im sure there are a ton of them. if your kid shows any competitiveness at all in league....get him in lessons now. especially with tryouts coming up in august. if by then he doesnt like it enough to want to play travel...then put him back in league and let him just enjoy his new swing.
and yes 7 is young, but hell even at the tball ages of 5-6 you can see the differences in many kids. some develop later and thats what AA ball is for, to start and learn.
i have ranted enough i guess, just gets on my nerves how the OT is always bashing something they have no fricking clue about and always talking about the money like its any of thier business.
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:11 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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if you were never into baseball (i only played basketball and football as a kid), paying thousands of dollars for 10 year olds to play baseball seems pretty absurd
It's not that much around me from my understanding. Honestly to play in the regular little league we play in, you are looking at $300. To play travel ball, some of the "clubs/organizations" have hired coaches and you pay monthly dues in the range of $150 a month. Then you pay for uniforms. And ultimately pay a team entry fee for the tournament that is ~$50 per kid. So for a 3 month season, you are probably paying a little over twice as much as standard LL and getting a substantially different product. More practices and 5x's the quality with similar amount of games if not more (and I say that as a coach of my son's LL team).
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:20 am to Jon A thon
I coached high school softball for 10 years.
Hitting Fungos to the outfielders was one of the most fun things about the job.
Hitting Fungos to the outfielders was one of the most fun things about the job.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:20 am to lsu777
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but since the money is such a big deal...tell me where these kids should go play.
You want me to tell you what you already know? BR parents should stop being so fricking stupid to be fleeced by these "programs" and support more rec ball like most cities have. Instead I get inundated with about 25 people on facebook begging for raffle tickets or whatever to help get Jaxsyn and Breydynn to another tournament in Youngsville/Crowley/Morgan City/Thibodeaux.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:21 am to lsu777
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bottom line is the reason you cant just play littel league and then go play high school ball is because the high school teams are insane now and you are not making it doing that.
I’ve got a great example for you.
My son will be going into 7th grade next year and start Junior High ball. He goes to a small private school in Mississippi. In his class alone, there are at least 12 boys that play at AAA level or higher! Good luck making the team if you are not playing not only travel ball but at least high level travel ball
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:25 am to Giantkiller
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to help get Jaxsyn and Breydynn to another tournament in Youngsville/Crowley/Morgan City/Thibodeaux.
Those tournaments are all World Series and very, very, important
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:30 am to Prominentwon
The same ones with all the travel ball jokes about braydens and jaydens probably also bitch about kids playing fortnite and shite like that
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:34 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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if you were never into baseball (i only played basketball and football as a kid), paying thousands of dollars for 10 year olds to play baseball seems pretty absurd
well yea....but playing aau select basketball....is pretty much the same.
like i said...many local leagues have folded so where do you want the kids to play.
football is the one sport where you can walk in as a 9th grader and you will be fine.
and i get many think its absurd....hell i was a certified travel ball hater before my middle kid asked to tryout as a 7 year old and i actually got involved....now im the opposite.
but understand most orgs are under 2k all in.
3-400 of that is uniforms- 4-5k
12 (2 in fall, 10 in spring) tournaments @ average of say 400 each plus 160 for umprires. ~ 7k
field/cage rental- 200/month ~ 2000
so if you have 11 kids at 1500 each- 16,500 total revenue
16,500
-4500 (uniforms)
-7000 (tournaments)
-2000 (fields)
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$3000 left over
that 3k pays for baseballs, coaches gas and time, his hotel if needed etc.
so lets not act like the coaches are just doing it and making 6 figures....atleast in south la most arent.
now traction is 5k like i mentioned, but they also have huge facilities to pay for. sure some charge more like knights but they also have to pay an org fee, have paid head coaches and paid assistant coaches.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:35 am to lsu777
I agree with most of what you said but you’re way out of touch here
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how did raising the level of play through playing high level competition and through lessons hurt other players? those kids can still play league for free and if they are good enough can go play HS ball.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:36 am to Jon A thon
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It's not that much around me from my understanding. Honestly to play in the regular little league we play in, you are looking at $300. To play travel ball, some of the "clubs/organizations" have hired coaches and you pay monthly dues in the range of $150 a month. Then you pay for uniforms. And ultimately pay a team entry fee for the tournament that is ~$50 per kid. So for a 3 month season, you are probably paying a little over twice as much as standard LL and getting a substantially different product. More practices and 5x's the quality with similar amount of games if not more (and I say that as a coach of my son's LL team).
LOL. BR has about 10-12 so called organizations who charge roughly $3K per kid per season, still make parents pay for gate and entry fees, unis, etc. All that to tie up you're entire weekend, driving to podunkville and not finding out your game schedule until Friday. Meanwhile you get to drag your other nonplayer kids to a hotel in the middle of nowhere to ignore them while Aydynn gets ready 2 hours before the 8am first pitch.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:38 am to Giantkiller
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Breydynn
I’ll Venmo you $1000 right now and a tshirt from my travel ball championship team from 2011 if you can show me one kid on a team with this name
Y’all take it wayyyy too far
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:39 am to lsu777
quote:but that doesn't really start until junior high or high school though. it's not at all "necessary" like it is for baseball.
well yea....but playing aau select basketball....is pretty much the same.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:39 am to TheRouxGuru
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And the one liners about the names are played out as well. Y’all need some new schticks
So is your kid named Brayden or Braxton?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:40 am to lsu777
My daughter plays 8u travel and 8u rec. At travel she goes out and battles with good competition, the travel teams are fielding ground balls throwing girls out at different bases. They catch pop flys in the outfield. They hit actual homeruns on 130-150ft fields.
At rec she is the best kid on the team. She is the only one that can field a ground ball and throw a kid out at first. Most can't even make the throw from short stop to first. Half the lineup strikes out. She hits a routine fly ball to the outfield and gets a homerun.
We had back to back to back homeruns last night in rec and the ball wasn't hit past the third baseman
Where is she getting better?
At rec she is the best kid on the team. She is the only one that can field a ground ball and throw a kid out at first. Most can't even make the throw from short stop to first. Half the lineup strikes out. She hits a routine fly ball to the outfield and gets a homerun.
We had back to back to back homeruns last night in rec and the ball wasn't hit past the third baseman
Where is she getting better?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:41 am to Indefatigable
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So is your kid named Brayden or Braxton?
Both
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:42 am to Giantkiller
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You want me to tell you what you already know? BR parents should stop being so fricking stupid to be fleeced by these "programs" and support more rec ball like most cities have. Instead I get inundated with about 25 people on facebook begging for raffle tickets or whatever to help get Jaxsyn and Breydynn to another tournament in Youngsville/Crowley/Morgan City/Thibodeaux.
dude i coach in little league and have kids in travel.....no they shouldnt. the rec ball system is dead. there is a reason kids are so much better in high school now. you are a dinosaur and you dont even know it.
trust me...i was that guy 5 years ago. i thought travel ball was the reason for all the arm injuries....thought it was stuck up parents and all kinds of myths the OT puts out. i was 100% the typical OT travel ball hater.
my middle one asked to play and try out at 7, guess what i was wrong. i was a dinosaur. started researching...i was wrong on the arm injuries, the parents and pretty much every thing the OT says about travel ball....just like you are wrong.
and if you dont want to support other peoples kids...then dont.
but the days of starting practicing in feb and playing 12-15 league games, 4-8 all star games and then forgetting about real baseball (i.e. training and really working the craft, not playing stick ball in the yard) until the next febuary are over and done. I mean sure you can do that if you have no desire to play high school....hell even middle school.
you prolly think launch angle is a certain type of swing, exit velocity doesnt matter, pitching velo doesnt matter, weighted balls and bats are terrible and baseball players shouldnt lift weigths too huh?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:44 am to BoogaBear
I played travel ball (not just in softball, but also in soccer and basketball) growing up. I don't necessarily have an issue with it until it becomes this all-consuming, soul-sucking thing for the kid.
I had a client awhile back I had to sit their parents down and let them know that their kid was absolutely sick of playing year-round travel baseball. It was non-stop training, lessons, travel team. Kid had absolutely no life outside of it. And he was TERRIFIED to tell his parents because they had sunk so much money into it. Killed his love of the sport. Sad stuff.
Put your kids in different sports throughout the year. Increases flexiblity, mobility, and reduces overuse injuries by not consistently targeting the same muscle/tendon/ligament groups over and over again.
I had a client awhile back I had to sit their parents down and let them know that their kid was absolutely sick of playing year-round travel baseball. It was non-stop training, lessons, travel team. Kid had absolutely no life outside of it. And he was TERRIFIED to tell his parents because they had sunk so much money into it. Killed his love of the sport. Sad stuff.
Put your kids in different sports throughout the year. Increases flexiblity, mobility, and reduces overuse injuries by not consistently targeting the same muscle/tendon/ligament groups over and over again.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:44 am to lsu777
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myths the OT puts out. i was 100% the typical OT travel ball hater.
It’s just strange to me… out of alllll the things to hate on THAT much, why travel ball?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:48 am to Giantkiller
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Giantkiller
we can all see who got picked last as a kid in pickup games
Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:50 am to TheRouxGuru
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And the one liners about the names are played out as well. Y’all need some new schticks
Found the the guy whose wife browbeat him to name his daughters Hayleigh and Baylee.
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