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re: Nest Thermostat Thoughts

Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:19 am to
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:19 am to
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From what I read, Nest sends information over the network that reveals whether anyone is home. So unless you trust the network and Google not to disclose that data - or you don't own anything worth stealing other than your fancy thermostat - you'd be crazy to install the thing IMO.

Google already knows where a billion people are at all times thanks to cell phone GPS. Not only do they know when you're not home, but they know exactly how long it will take you to get home. Have B&E's increased in the last few years?

Who's crazy?
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:19 am to
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What are they going to do with the information? And what if your wireless gets hacked?


how many B&Es are committed because the guy hacked the wireless network and figured out the home was empty and then broke in the place???

I'd venture a guess and say zero.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:22 am to
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What are they going to do with the information?
Set your thermostat accordingly.
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And what if your wireless gets hacked?
It's not like the thermostat broadcasts to the internet "nobody's home!". It just knows you're not home either by sensors or schedule, and changes the temperature accordingly. Nobody can hack your network and get any information they couldn't gather just by watching your house for a few days.

The paranoia is strong in here.
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:22 am to
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I'd venture a guess and say zero.


I'd venture to say as homes get more and more automated it's only a matter of time.

You didn't answer the other question though. What are they going to do with that information?
Posted by Mr. Tom Morrow
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:22 am to
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Who knows what is actually true?


I'd definitely want to see actual testing done because 3 degrees is a deal breaker for me. There's a huge difference between 67 and 70 in a home.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:25 am to
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I'd venture to say as homes get more and more automated it's only a matter of time.
As homes get more automated, they will be able to alert the owner and/or authorities to a B&E immediately. How in the hell do you figure that smart homes will be more prone to crime?

Just crazy, crazy logic in here.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:30 am to
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I'd venture to say as homes get more and more automated it's only a matter of time.


I'd be more worried about houses getting broken into because people brag on facebook about how they're on this awesome vacation than I would be about my thermostat knowing if I'm home or not.

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What are they going to do with that information?



develop a patter of home activity and adjust your central heating and air accordingly??? I don't really know but I don't work for google
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:30 am to
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What are they going to do with that information?


I hope they dont find out how much energy I am wasting.
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:31 am to
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in the hell do you figure that smart homes will be more prone to crime?


It wil invite a more sophisticated kind of thief. The wealthier you are the more likely you will have home automation and the more luxury items a thief will be interested in.

Anyone that can hack into the system can hack into the alarm system too.

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Just crazy, crazy logic in here.



You're right. Your logic is sorely lacking.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:33 am to
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Anyone that can hack into the system can hack into the alarm system too.


so let's not have alarms either...I mean they can be hacked so we're better off without them.

Also, locks and deadbolts can be picked so let's get rid of those and while we're at it, let's just get rid of the doors too because let's be honest, without the locks, they're useless.
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:37 am to
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so let's not have alarms either...I mean they can be hacked so we're better off without them.

Also, locks and deadbolts can be picked so let's get rid of those and while we're at it, let's just get rid of the doors too because let's be honest, without the locks, they're useless.




Ummm I never said that.

Just saying it invites a new type of thief.

Also, you STILL haven;t answered why Google wants that info.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:37 am to
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It wil invite a more sophisticated kind of thief. The wealthier you are the more likely you will have home automation and the more luxury items a thief will be interested in.
Or they can tell whether you have nice things by, you know, what the house looks like and what cars you drive.
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Anyone that can hack into the system can hack into the alarm system too.
Right, because people who can leech wifi can surely just simply hack an alarm system. And those who actually do have those skills are sure to spend their time doing B&E's instead of stealing millions online or, you know, earning a living with their skillset.
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You're right. Your logic is sorely lacking.
Uh huh.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:38 am to
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Also, you STILL haven;t answered why Google wants that info.
I did. The info is used to set your thermostat.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:39 am to
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Also, you STILL haven;t answered why Google wants that info.


yes I did...read more better
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:43 am to
You said you don;t know. ..

Google didn't buy Nest to help you keep your home better heated and cooled, we all know that.

So you can't answer the question other than you don't know.

Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:44 am to
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JumpingTheShark

Yeah, they are pretty cool. I bought a Nest thermostat and two of the smoke/monoxide detectors as well. You'll really like the reports that it starts generating. I went with the hardwired detectors and they communicate with the thermostat so there's two more sensors telling the stat that someone is home. Our hallway would definitely not detect all of the movement in the house, so that's a plus.
Posted by Pennymoney
Member since Sep 2012
667 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:45 am to
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I did. The info is used to set your thermostat.


I wasn't referring to you.

And the question is what info about you will Google collect and why do they want it?
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:50 am to
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And the question is what info about you will Google collect and why do they want it?


Jesus, how dense are you, go back and read the 5 or 6 responses to this question you keep asking.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:51 am to
I was origianlly asking someone else what they thought google was going to do with the information...I said I don't work for google so I don't know...I don't understand why you're having such a hard time with this

what do YOU think they're doing with that info???


Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:57 am to
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I wasn't referring to you.
Does it matter who answers your question?
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And the question is what info about you will Google collect
What times you typically are and are not home, and what temperature you like it to be during those times.
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why do they want it?
So that the thermostat can set itself and potentially save you money. This, in addition to the smart features, they hope will offset the cost of the units in the consumer's mind, and make Google money by selling more units and other future smart home products.

I'm not sure what other new information about you that can be gathered from a thermostat that they don't already have about you.

If you are wondering what Google's "angle" is here, then I think it's pretty simple: Google would love to lower or eliminate your monthly expenses, freeing up cash for you to send their way.
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