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re: Nest Thermostat Thoughts
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:19 am to austintigerdad
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:19 am to austintigerdad
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From what I read, Nest sends information over the network that reveals whether anyone is home. So unless you trust the network and Google not to disclose that data - or you don't own anything worth stealing other than your fancy thermostat - you'd be crazy to install the thing IMO.
Google already knows where a billion people are at all times thanks to cell phone GPS. Not only do they know when you're not home, but they know exactly how long it will take you to get home. Have B&E's increased in the last few years?
Who's crazy?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:19 am to Pennymoney
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What are they going to do with the information? And what if your wireless gets hacked?
how many B&Es are committed because the guy hacked the wireless network and figured out the home was empty and then broke in the place???
I'd venture a guess and say zero.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:22 am to Pennymoney
quote:Set your thermostat accordingly.
What are they going to do with the information?
quote:It's not like the thermostat broadcasts to the internet "nobody's home!". It just knows you're not home either by sensors or schedule, and changes the temperature accordingly. Nobody can hack your network and get any information they couldn't gather just by watching your house for a few days.
And what if your wireless gets hacked?
The paranoia is strong in here.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:22 am to iAmBatman
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I'd venture a guess and say zero.
I'd venture to say as homes get more and more automated it's only a matter of time.
You didn't answer the other question though. What are they going to do with that information?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:22 am to hashtag
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Who knows what is actually true?
I'd definitely want to see actual testing done because 3 degrees is a deal breaker for me. There's a huge difference between 67 and 70 in a home.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:25 am to Pennymoney
quote:As homes get more automated, they will be able to alert the owner and/or authorities to a B&E immediately. How in the hell do you figure that smart homes will be more prone to crime?
I'd venture to say as homes get more and more automated it's only a matter of time.
Just crazy, crazy logic in here.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:30 am to Pennymoney
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I'd venture to say as homes get more and more automated it's only a matter of time.
I'd be more worried about houses getting broken into because people brag on facebook about how they're on this awesome vacation than I would be about my thermostat knowing if I'm home or not.
quote:
What are they going to do with that information?
develop a patter of home activity and adjust your central heating and air accordingly??? I don't really know but I don't work for google
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:30 am to Pennymoney
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What are they going to do with that information?
I hope they dont find out how much energy I am wasting.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:31 am to Korkstand
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in the hell do you figure that smart homes will be more prone to crime?
It wil invite a more sophisticated kind of thief. The wealthier you are the more likely you will have home automation and the more luxury items a thief will be interested in.
Anyone that can hack into the system can hack into the alarm system too.
quote:
Just crazy, crazy logic in here.
You're right. Your logic is sorely lacking.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:33 am to Pennymoney
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Anyone that can hack into the system can hack into the alarm system too.
so let's not have alarms either...I mean they can be hacked so we're better off without them.
Also, locks and deadbolts can be picked so let's get rid of those and while we're at it, let's just get rid of the doors too because let's be honest, without the locks, they're useless.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:37 am to iAmBatman
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so let's not have alarms either...I mean they can be hacked so we're better off without them.
Also, locks and deadbolts can be picked so let's get rid of those and while we're at it, let's just get rid of the doors too because let's be honest, without the locks, they're useless.
Ummm I never said that.
Just saying it invites a new type of thief.
Also, you STILL haven;t answered why Google wants that info.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:37 am to Pennymoney
quote:Or they can tell whether you have nice things by, you know, what the house looks like and what cars you drive.
It wil invite a more sophisticated kind of thief. The wealthier you are the more likely you will have home automation and the more luxury items a thief will be interested in.
quote:Right, because people who can leech wifi can surely just simply hack an alarm system. And those who actually do have those skills are sure to spend their time doing B&E's instead of stealing millions online or, you know, earning a living with their skillset.
Anyone that can hack into the system can hack into the alarm system too.
quote:Uh huh.
You're right. Your logic is sorely lacking.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:38 am to Pennymoney
quote:I did. The info is used to set your thermostat.
Also, you STILL haven;t answered why Google wants that info.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:39 am to Pennymoney
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:43 am to iAmBatman
You said you don;t know. ..
Google didn't buy Nest to help you keep your home better heated and cooled, we all know that.
So you can't answer the question other than you don't know.
Google didn't buy Nest to help you keep your home better heated and cooled, we all know that.
So you can't answer the question other than you don't know.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:44 am to JumpingTheShark
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JumpingTheShark
Yeah, they are pretty cool. I bought a Nest thermostat and two of the smoke/monoxide detectors as well. You'll really like the reports that it starts generating. I went with the hardwired detectors and they communicate with the thermostat so there's two more sensors telling the stat that someone is home. Our hallway would definitely not detect all of the movement in the house, so that's a plus.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:45 am to Korkstand
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I did. The info is used to set your thermostat.
I wasn't referring to you.
And the question is what info about you will Google collect and why do they want it?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:50 am to Pennymoney
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And the question is what info about you will Google collect and why do they want it?
Jesus, how dense are you, go back and read the 5 or 6 responses to this question you keep asking.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:51 am to Pennymoney
I was origianlly asking someone else what they thought google was going to do with the information...I said I don't work for google so I don't know...I don't understand why you're having such a hard time with this
what do YOU think they're doing with that info???
what do YOU think they're doing with that info???
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:57 am to Pennymoney
quote:Does it matter who answers your question?
I wasn't referring to you.
quote:What times you typically are and are not home, and what temperature you like it to be during those times.
And the question is what info about you will Google collect
quote:So that the thermostat can set itself and potentially save you money. This, in addition to the smart features, they hope will offset the cost of the units in the consumer's mind, and make Google money by selling more units and other future smart home products.
why do they want it?
I'm not sure what other new information about you that can be gathered from a thermostat that they don't already have about you.
If you are wondering what Google's "angle" is here, then I think it's pretty simple: Google would love to lower or eliminate your monthly expenses, freeing up cash for you to send their way.
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