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re: Mississippi River diverging: When do we finally let it go down the Atchafalaya?
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:10 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:10 pm to JudgeHolden
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Flooding Plaquemine will not help a bit.
Flooding Plaquemine will help prevent that sediment from dumping over the shelf since it is much shallower in the upper reaches of the Mississippi River basin.
Now people in Venice would be absolutely pissed because there fishing industry would be destroyed for quite a bit.
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Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:11 pm to gaetti15
Yep. Someone will be affected and pissed off. Or everyone will see big consequences in the end. All there is to it
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:11 pm to ksayetiger
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sounds like an improvement of nola drinking water
Not really. It'll still run through those lead waterlines. It wouldn't surprise me if sections ran through hollowed Cyprus logs like other utilities there.
This post was edited on 3/7/15 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:12 pm to WeeWee
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If the Dutch can keep the North Sea out of Amsterdam than we can keep the Gulf of Mexico out of New Orleans
Yup. Look at the Oosterscheldekering. It's a giant version of our Lake Borne Surge Protection system. Delta Works wasn't a complex problem to figure out. Basically build a few big walls and close them when the sea gets high. New Orleans has the additional problem of tropical rainfalls during storm events, so you have water coming in from the sea, and also pouring in to Lake Pontchartrain via rivers and pump stations. During Isaac, the portion of MRGO/Intracoastal right by Michoud filled up from pump water, though it kept the surge out. More rain and it might have been a problem. Same with the flooding in St. James from the lake filling up and the surge keeping the lake from draining.
We will not see the river intentionally diverted in our lifetimes. It's political suicide, and unfortunately people willing to fall on the sword are not drawn to politics.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:12 pm to magildachunks
It's not just New Orleans, it's all the petrochemical infrastructure up and down the river. It would be a major national disruption. Not something you want to do unless you have to. There are ways to divert part the flow and achieve some of the goals without a major catastrophe, the problem is for every winner there are losers who don't want their rice bowl broken. For instance, oyster fishermen have been holding up the Barataria diversion project because they think it would hurt their livelihood.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:13 pm to jimbeam
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Yep. Someone will be affected and pissed off. Or everyone will see big consequences in the end. All there is to it
pretty much.
I deal with these issues from the fisheries side, not so much the land building side.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:13 pm to lsut2005
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No way this will happen in our lifetime.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:13 pm to ksayetiger
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sounds like an improvement of nola drinking water
Touche
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:14 pm to Jim Rockford
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For instance, oyster fishermen have been holding up the Barataria diversion project because they think it would hurt their livelihood.
don't get me started on those guys
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:15 pm to ksayetiger
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and that would cause saltwater to backflow into the NOLA metro area and ruin the supply of drinking water.
sounds like an improvement of nola drinking water
The drinking water issue seems like an easy fix. Grab the water from further north on the river and pipe it down. My water comes from a lake 40 miles away in Texas.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:15 pm to GREENHEAD22
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However moving everyone out of South plaq and blowing the levees is an actual possibility, and governor with a large set of balls is needed.
Sounds like you don't care about Plaq people
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:16 pm to JudgeHolden
I am talking about building marsh and wetlands back, how would that not work? The the south plaq area.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:16 pm to JudgeHolden
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Posted by JudgeHolden
The Mississippi River will always have its own way; no engineering skill can persuade it to do otherwise...
- Mark Twain in Eruption
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In America, there is New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland. - Mark Twain
Kinda ironic
This post was edited on 3/7/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:17 pm to gaetti15
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Flooding Plaquemine will help prevent that sediment from dumping over the shelf since it is much shallower in the upper reaches of the Mississippi River basin.
And you'd have to dredge the River four times a week to keep it open to vessel traffic. And eventually the Atchfalaya is still gonna capture the Mississippi.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:18 pm to CCTider
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In America, there is New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland. - Mark Twain
Pretty sure that's a Tennessee Williams quote.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:18 pm to magildachunks
But all that culcha, brah?
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:18 pm to BottomlandBrew
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BottomlandBrew
None of this solves the real problem. The Atchafalaya is going to capture the Mississippi River eventually. It is only a question of time. All your walls and levees won't help you at all then.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:21 pm to JudgeHolden
When this fails, New Orleans is a city by a muddy bayou. The whole city lives or dies by this structure.
This post was edited on 3/7/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:23 pm to Jim Rockford
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Posted by Jim Rockford
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In America, there is New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland. - Mark Twain
After looking it up word for word, you're right. Then I realized I grabbed the quote from tumblr instead of an actual legit source.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 2:24 pm to GREENHEAD22
why? Vice news is better than most other sources.
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