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re: Making A Murder O-T Lounge Thread
Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
Big breaking news today - another juror has (anonymously come forward):
Says the jurors feared for their personal safety if they were hung, so they tried to find a middle road that would let it get overturned on appeal.
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A member of the jury that declared Steven Avery guilty in 2007 actually believes Avery was not guilty but was afraid to say so at the time, the makers of the sensational Netflix documentary "Making a Murderer" said Tuesday.
"They believe Steven was framed by law enforcement and that he deserves a new trial, and if he receives a new trial, in their opinion it should take place far away from Wisconsin," Laura Ricciardi said on NBC's "Today" show.
Ricciardi and her producing partner, Moira Demos, did not identify the juror.
"The juror contacted us directly and told us the verdicts in Steven's trial were a compromise," Ricciardi said.
Avery, a Wisconsin man, was found guilty of murdering Teresa Halbach but not guilty of a charge of mutilating a corpse.
Says the jurors feared for their personal safety if they were hung, so they tried to find a middle road that would let it get overturned on appeal.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:43 pm to Hog on the Hill
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It matters because it establishes a timeline in which Lenk would have the opportunity to plant the evidence before the car had been searched for forensic evidence.
How did he know it didn't have blood or DNA from Avery in it?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:10 pm to KosmoCramer
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How did he know it didn't have blood or DNA from Avery in it?
Well, since it was days later, perhaps he already knew it had been found in a spot that didn't point in the direction of Avery at all?
Posted on 1/17/16 at 1:26 pm to AlbertMeansWell
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Avery is guilty and no one wants to admit it.
#freesteve
On the last episode
Posted on 1/17/16 at 1:52 pm to AlbertMeansWell
I don't know how someone cleans up every drop of blood from a cluttered garage, but leaves the shell casings.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 2:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
How stupid are jurors?
Posted on 1/17/16 at 2:02 pm to BRIllini07
Without the misconduct, "where's the blood" is still such a glaring question the police never seem to answer.
Roll in the questions about the police and even if you think he did it, I don't know how you get to conviction still
Roll in the questions about the police and even if you think he did it, I don't know how you get to conviction still
Posted on 1/17/16 at 2:11 pm to VetteGuy
One of the jurors has since come forward and said basically that they wanted to acquit, but that they feared for their own safety having to live in the community with seemingly corrupt officials
So they purposely gave a confusing verdict (guilty of murder, not guilty of mutilating a corpse) in hopes that the appeals court would take a hard look and review the case
They wanted him acquitted, but didn't want to be the ones to do it
So they purposely gave a confusing verdict (guilty of murder, not guilty of mutilating a corpse) in hopes that the appeals court would take a hard look and review the case
They wanted him acquitted, but didn't want to be the ones to do it
Posted on 1/17/16 at 2:12 pm to KBeezy
His defense attorney even said in the documentary (well before this juror came out with the 'confusing verdict' explanation) and said he has never seen such a strange verdict
Remember they were something like
7 not guilty
2 guilty
2 undecided in the initial vote
Remember they were something like
7 not guilty
2 guilty
2 undecided in the initial vote
This post was edited on 1/17/16 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 1/17/16 at 2:22 pm to KBeezy
Thanks for the clarification. 
I feel like there had to have been another solution, though.
I feel like there had to have been another solution, though.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 3:34 pm to VetteGuy
Posted on 1/17/16 at 3:39 pm to stout
That was good.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 3:40 pm to KBeezy
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Remember they were something like 7 not guilty 2 guilty 2 undecided in the initial vote
My best memory - one viewing - was that the dismissed juror was one of the 7 initially leaning towards acquittal, and that he estimated that 3 were for conviction and 2 were undecided (to add up to 12). However, this was based solely on the first 4 1/2 (or so) hours of deliberation.
But, it does beg the question - even if he was replaced by a hardcore "pro conviction" alternate juror, it should have been 6-6 at most, if all the undecided were pulled to the conviction camp fairly quickly.
A question I have is: Did the verdict have to be unanimous? Or could it have been 10-2 or whatnot? I think it had to be unanimous, but I'm not 100% (pardon the pun) about that.
(ETA: I'm about 80% convinced that Avery did it, 90% that Brendan had nothing to do with it, other than unwittingly help feed the fire that disposed of her body - but I would have voted to acquit both because of serious questions of reasonable doubt raised by police conduct.)
This post was edited on 1/17/16 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 1/17/16 at 6:35 pm to Ace Midnight
has the yelp page been discussed?
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:04 am to tylercsbn9
I just started watching and I am on episode 6. So far the defense, to me, has raised enough doubt about the case to require a not guilty verdict. They seemed to be able to counter, thus far, every bit of the state's evidence.
Yes, I know this documentary is one side and tries to paint Avery in a sympathetic light. However, the MSD is corrupt AF and the county had every reason to try and pin something on Avery (Re: his civil lawsuit.) Hell, the damn sheriff went on TV and basically said it would have been easy to kill Avery. So far, there is enough doubt that I would have voted not guilty.
I see tons of people saying Avery is guilty of killing that young woman. Am I missing something?
Yes, I know this documentary is one side and tries to paint Avery in a sympathetic light. However, the MSD is corrupt AF and the county had every reason to try and pin something on Avery (Re: his civil lawsuit.) Hell, the damn sheriff went on TV and basically said it would have been easy to kill Avery. So far, there is enough doubt that I would have voted not guilty.
I see tons of people saying Avery is guilty of killing that young woman. Am I missing something?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:19 am to Ted2010
There were definitely times when I leaned toward guilty, but in the end, I would've voted not guilty and could not have been pressured into changing. This case was a screw job plain and simple. Don't be surprised if he is freed again.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:10 am to bayourougebengal
I agree with you. Too much doubt for me.
However, I just read somethings the documentary left out; Avery calling Auto Trader and requesting her, using a false name *67 calling her number, Halbach's bones intertwined with tire belts that were burned (Which Brendan said they used in the bonfire). I also saw the interview Jodi gave on Nancy Grace that was eye opening.
I am starting to think Avery is a sick SOB that killed that woman and that Brendan had a part in it too. But, man o man the total corruption of that county is mind boggling.
However, I just read somethings the documentary left out; Avery calling Auto Trader and requesting her, using a false name *67 calling her number, Halbach's bones intertwined with tire belts that were burned (Which Brendan said they used in the bonfire). I also saw the interview Jodi gave on Nancy Grace that was eye opening.
I am starting to think Avery is a sick SOB that killed that woman and that Brendan had a part in it too. But, man o man the total corruption of that county is mind boggling.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:12 am to Ted2010
BTW, former DA Ken Kratz was one perverted sexting mofo. He would fit in well on the OT.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:42 am to Ted2010
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the total corruption of that county is mind boggling.
It's unbelievable.
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