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re: ‘Listen To The Screams’: Planes Nearly Collide On Reagan Airport Runway
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:08 pm to Auburn1968
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:08 pm to Auburn1968
I honestly feel sorry for black people that are not DEI hires, but are getting associated with the DEI hires.
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:10 pm to Auburn1968
DEI is propagated in their airline industry to deliberately sabotage it and dampen people's motivation to fly. Make no mistake. They can't outright stop letting people fly so they slowly dismantle the expectations of flying.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:11 pm to Auburn1968
Seems like ATC is a perfect place for AI to take over
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:11 pm to Auburn1968
I wonder what that tower looked like...
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:41 pm to Louisianalabguy
Not on the ground especially.
There are too many aircraft on a small area to rely on some system the alarm fatigue would be off the chart.
There are too many aircraft on a small area to rely on some system the alarm fatigue would be off the chart.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:42 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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The ground controller fricked up. She
There is always a she in these recent incidents. Whether it be a pilot or controller.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:46 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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I honestly feel sorry for black people that are not DEI hires, but are getting associated with the DEI hires.
Yes, it sucks.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:12 pm to Auburn1968
When you take into account that these ATC controllers have to coordinate hundreds of flights every single day, someone who’s tired and fatigued from a long 10 hour shift is bound to make a careless mistake.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:15 pm to The Boat
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There is always a she in these recent incidents. Whether it be a pilot or controller.
The Southwest flight that almost crashed into the LaGuardia ATC tower a few weeks back had a female pilot
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:21 pm to Auburn1968
Flying there Monday. Can’t wait!
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:01 pm to Auburn1968
ATC of colour
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:23 pm to Auburn1968
My son applied for an ATC position, crushed the hiring tests, waited almost 2 years for a class date while slogging through drug testing, psych testing, background testing, fingerprinting, etc, etc, etc. Finally gave up and got his Dispatch license and is working for Air Wisconsin.
Watch the news and they will tell you how critically short staffed the FAA Controllers are???
Mainstream media needs to ask the tough questions about why the FAA isn't streamlining the process to get controllers hired and qualified.
Just sayin.
Watch the news and they will tell you how critically short staffed the FAA Controllers are???
Mainstream media needs to ask the tough questions about why the FAA isn't streamlining the process to get controllers hired and qualified.
Just sayin.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:29 pm to flyingtexastiger
Flying thru DCA tomorrow morning. Very small/congested airport. Mainline jets use the one N/S runway, Regionals can generally use the two cross runways. Mainline jets are talking to Ground Control while they cross the two crossing runways.
Sounds to me like the controllers were at fault here for clearing SW to cross while simultaneouslyl clearing the JB flight to takeoff. In my cockpit we always turn our lights on and look both ways before crossing to make sure there's not a plane taking off/landing, but sometimes it's hard to tell if they are busy and lining up planes to take off while you're crossing.
End of the day, it's been a long time since we've had an accident. The system works really well until that one shitty day when it doesn't.
Sounds to me like the controllers were at fault here for clearing SW to cross while simultaneouslyl clearing the JB flight to takeoff. In my cockpit we always turn our lights on and look both ways before crossing to make sure there's not a plane taking off/landing, but sometimes it's hard to tell if they are busy and lining up planes to take off while you're crossing.
End of the day, it's been a long time since we've had an accident. The system works really well until that one shitty day when it doesn't.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:33 pm to Auburn1968
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Everyone in the tower is diverse with no qualificatios or skills. Both controllers gave hesitant instructions indicating the were unsure of their actions. How about returning to requiring controllers to have education and skills instead of DEI? These people are in charge of our lives.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:34 pm to Auburn1968
DEI Air Traffic Controller
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:57 pm to Auburn1968
Maybe the ground traffic controllers were all fired.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:17 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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I honestly feel sorry for black people that are not DEI hires, but are getting associated with the DEI hires.
Clarence Thomas agrees. He's a guy who really was at the top of his class.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:36 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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I honestly feel sorry for black people that are not DEI hires, but are getting associated with the DEI hires.
I read something the other day that "DEI hire" is the equivalent of dropping an N-bomb in corporate settings.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:40 pm to flyingtexastiger
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In my cockpit we always turn our lights on and look both ways before crossing to make sure there's not a plane taking off/landing
I was kind of wondering if this wouldn't be something a pilot would normally do.
Probably a dumb question, but why not have controlled signals where taxiways cross runways? Basically if the tower releases a plane to take off the cross lights are red.
Probably too simple.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:57 pm to JasonDBlaha
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When you take into account that these ATC controllers have to coordinate hundreds of flights every single day, someone who’s tired and fatigued from a long 10 hour shift is bound to make a careless mistake.
You don't work a 10 hour shift normally and typically rotate positions every hour with breaks in-between so that is not an excuse. Seems like the ground controller may have sent that aircraft across without the local controllers permission ,but even so it seems the local controller did not scan his runway. (If they have the capability to record coordination between LC and GC which they probably do that would determine who is wrong here). Even if the Ground Controller sent the aircraft across without permission before a landing or takeoff clearance you always scan your runway. It seems like Controllers are getting away from some of the basics.
This is as basic as it gets
FAAO 7110.65AA
3-1-4. COORDINATION BETWEEN LOCAL AND GROUND CONTROLLERS Local and ground controllers must exchange information as necessary for the safe and efficient use of airport runways and movement areas. This may be accomplished via verbal means, flight progress strips, other written information, or automation displays. As a minimum, provide aircraft identification and applicable runway/intersection/taxiway information as follows:
a. Ground control must notify local control when a departing aircraft has been taxied to a runway other than one previously designated as active. REFERENCE- FAA Order JO 7110.65, Para 3-1-3, Use of Active Runways. FAA Order JO 7210.3, Para 10-1-6, Selecting Active Runways.
b. Ground control must notify local control of any aircraft taxied to an intersection for takeoff. This notification may be accomplished by verbal means or by flight progress strips. REFERENCE- FAA Order JO 7110.65, Para 3-9-7, Wake Turbulence Separation for Intersection Departures.
c. When the runways in use for landing/departing aircraft are not visible from the tower or the aircraft using them are not visible on radar, advise the local/ground controller of the aircraft’s location before releasing the aircraft to the other controller.
3-1-7. POSITION DETERMINATION Determine the position of an aircraft, personnel or equipment before issuing taxi instructions, takeoff clearance, or authorizing personnel, and/or equipment to proceed onto the movement area.
NOTE- When possible, positions of aircraft, vehicles, equipment and/or personnel may be determined visually or through use of a display system. When ATC is unable to determine position visually or via a display system, position reports may be used
3-1-12. VISUALLY SCANNING RUNWAYS
a. Local controllers must visually scan runways to the maximum extent possible.
b. Ground control must assist local control in visually scanning runways, especially when runways are in close proximity to other movement areas.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:00 pm
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