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Let's talk Homicides & the effectiveness of Murphy Paul's strategies to combat this crime

Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:49 pm
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:49 pm
Sharon Weston Broome ran on a campaign to get rid of Carl Dabadie as chief of police of the Baton Rouge Police Department because he would not fire the officers involved in the Alton Sterling shooting. Dabadie's performance as chief had no bearing on her decision. Didn't matter how low the crime rate was, Dabadie had to go because he refused to fire an officer that had shot a black man.

I had a lengthy thread on here in the months following the Sterling shooting showing the hypocrisy of the BLM movement, local community "leaders", & city officials demanding change. The thread is here: LINK.

In that thread, after 103 black people were killed in Baton Rouge after the Sterling killing, I posted this:

quote:

I have two very simple questions for the Baton Rouge Community leaders and activists:

1. What will police reform do to reduce the above list?

2. Why is Sterling's death, which is an anomaly when compared to the list of names above, more important than any of the deaths listed?



In the aftermath of the Sterling shooting, Broome ran off Dabadie and put in a chief that gave her and her supporters the reform they sought.

There is now plenty of data available to see how effective Paul has been as police chief and if his methods are working. In fact, both Dabadie & Paul have 4 years to compare

So here are the stats:

Let’s do a straight comparison between Dabadie and Paul. Both have 4 years of data that allow for a better comparison. The data can be seen here, here, and here

Homicides by year while chief of BRPD


Carl Dabadie:

2013: 49
2014: 53
2015: 60
2016: 47

Total: 209

Yearly Average: 52


Murphy Paul

2018: 78
2019: 69
2020: 101
2021: 120

Total: 368

Yearly Average: 92


In the direct comparison above, there have been 159 more people killed in those 4 full years Paul has been chief compared to the 4 full years that Dabadie was chief. That is an increase of 76.08%

So, all the reforms, programs, & changes have resulted in a 76% INCREASE in killings. Is this called effective policing?

The best year for Paul was in 2019 when there were 69 killings in the city. That's 9 more homicides than Dadadie's worst year in 2015. Paul's best year is still a 15% increase in the number of killings in Dabadie's worst year as chief.

Lets take a look further back and compare the multi year tenure's of every BRPD police chief since 2001, (which is the first year listed on BRPD's crime state page.. LINK

quote:

Pat Englade

2001: 46
2002: 59
2003: 41
2004: 47

Total: 193

Yearly Average: 48


quote:

Jeff LeDuff

2005: 49
2006: 56
2007: 72
2008: 67
2009: 75
2010: 69

Total: 388

Yearly Average: 65


quote:

Dewayne White

2011: 64
2012: 67

Total: 131

Yearly Average: 66



So by the yearly homicide average, here is how all the full-time police chiefs in Baton Rouge of the last 21 year rank:

1. Pat Englade..........48
2. Carl Dabadie.........52
3. Jeff LeDuff.............65
4. DeWayne White....66
5. Murphy Paul..........92


According to the data, more people are killed on average each year under Murphy Paul's leadership than any other chief in at least the last 21 years. The most effect chief according to the data was Pat Englade.

Are these new crime strategies working when the city is trending in the wrong direction? Is it time for a different approach?

The numbers are the numbers
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:51 pm to
Yeah but
Posted by broadhead
Member since Oct 2014
2140 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:53 pm to
So how do you fix it?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62971 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:54 pm to
This I not just a Baton Rouge issue, it's a national issue.
When you have an Administration that honors criminals at the same time blames all domestic problems on white supremacy, you get a trickled down devaluation of law and order.
And here are the results.
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
46956 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:54 pm to
It’s not all on Paul

How many officers have left since the Sterling incident?

A large part of the problem is Broome & the metro council
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8409 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:57 pm to
How exactly does a police chief stop black people from shooting other blacks people? Seriously, tell us.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17714 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:01 pm to
They're all to blame.

Fed gov't
State gov't
local gov't

You can't expect the fed and state to fix your issues though. I venture to say that if SWB and Paul actually gave a shite, those numbers wouldn't be so damn high and they wouldn't be rising so much year after year. Either they don't care, or they're that inept. Can we recall the mayor?
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7019 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:04 pm to
idk give Carl Dabadie a phone call and ask him
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
46956 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:04 pm to
Push the mayor & metro council to allocate money to raise pay to keep officers / hire more officers

Push the mayor & DA to keep criminals in jail

Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30328 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

How exactly does a police chief stop black people from shooting other blacks people? Seriously, tell us.


Actively pursue the violent offenders in your city with a healthy police force. The BRPD is far from healthy as an organization. That would at least reduce the original problem.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 8:09 pm
Posted by Jax Teller
Member since Aug 2018
3974 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:06 pm to
I don't know anything about Murphy Paul and his abilities or lack thereof as a police chief. But to blame him solely and not address the macro issue that is Democrat policy making is a waste of time. Murphy Paul is just a cop. SWB and her ilk are to blame for the policies that make crime inconsequential.

And to the point above, this is a nationwide epidemic.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
83490 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

How exactly does a police chief stop black people from shooting other blacks people? Seriously, tell us.


Maybe start by asking Pat Englade or Carl Dadadie since they were way more effective at preventing it than the current strategies are
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
14055 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:12 pm to
Resurrect Harry Lee and send him to Baton Rouge.
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
5873 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:16 pm to
quote:

Carl Dabadie: 2013: 49 2014: 53 2015: 60 2016: 47 Total: 209 Yearly Average: 52 Murphy Paul 2018: 78 2019: 69 2020: 101 2021: 120 Total: 368

It’s always Covid-19’s fault
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:16 pm to
quote:

It’s not all on Paul
Paul is a symptom, not the cancer.
quote:

Broome & the metro council


Stage 4 governoma
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
1122 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

This I not just a Baton Rouge issue, it's a national issue.

It's not a national issue. It's an issue in about two hundred cities. The other twenty thousand municipalities in the US are doing just fine.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 8:30 pm
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
150993 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:47 pm to
quote:

Are these new crime strategies working when the city is trending in the wrong direction? Is it time for a different approach?

Of course they aren’t working. And of course it’s time for a different approach. The problem is until everyone recognizes the real problems and the root causes of those problems, it will never change. Or I should say one side recognizes the problems/roots, because the other side already knows why. But the ones in charge will continue to turn a blind eye to what causes the problems because they don’t want to risk criticism for speaking the truth (or they just plain don’t care, which is likely as well).
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:11 am
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11538 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:53 pm to
Cool, what are you going to do to keep gang members from hunting and killing other gang members? Does it really matter?
Posted by Spook
504
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:00 pm to
sad
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 5:51 am
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
83490 posts
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

in all fairness, Pat Englade was prior to all that New Orleans trash relocating to Baton Ruege’.


Carl Dabadie was chief after all the New Orleans people relocated to Baton Rouge
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