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re: Let’s address the elephant in the room: the conspiracy folks
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:48 am to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:48 am to mmmmmbeeer
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It's not good for this country and democracy cannot survive when people immediately jump to "false flag" every time something happens counter to their belief systems.
I agree.
But I'd also say it isn't good for the country and democracy can't survive when everyone just takes everything the government says as the truth.
There needs to be a healthy balance of belief and skepticism.
Unfortunately, far too many people fall to either end of the spectrum.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:53 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
I agree.
But I'd also say it isn't good for the country and democracy can't survive when everyone just takes everything the government says as the truth.
There needs to be a healthy balance of belief and skepticism.
Unfortunately, far too many people fall to either end of the spectrum.
Absolutely. Fortunately, the government is often so incompetent that when they try to lie, we learn about it.
The press is such an important part of democracy. Of course, that's also been assaulted in the last ten years as the news business has been invaded by no-name outlets without any journalistic integrity, fact-checking requirements, etc.
So yeah, we're pretty much fricked all the way around
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:54 am to UndercoverBryologist
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:56 am to redneck hippie
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My problem w conspiracy theories is they would often times require large amounts of people to stay quiet about it until they died. It goes against human nature. Someone somewhere, out of thousands of people, would eventually come clean or at some point there is hard evidence uncovered.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:58 am to John_V
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Look at the new info out of Buffalo today, a "retired" FBI agent was in frequent contact with the Supermarket shooter and was in a discord where the guy announced what he was doing 30 minutes prior to the shooting taking place
It was the same with the Colorado grocery store shooting and now the Buffalo grocery store shooting.
I said it early on with both of them, and some people here really don't like to hear it, that the F B I is useless. Both of those shooters were known to the F B I. Hell, the CO shooter was able to pass a background check while being on one of the F B I's lists. Through either incompetence or willful action they allowed both of those shootings to happen.
It is why those screaming and hand wringing now for more gun laws don't even register with me. More laws won't matter if they can't or won't be enforced. We need to start demanding that the people who work for us, that we pay for dearly, do their fricking jobs. Chasing boogeymen is not their job.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:00 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Bearing in mind the local and state cops have operational control over such matters and the Feds are acting as assistance.
In the movies don't the Feds always walk in and tell the local cops to "frick off, we're in charge now"
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:07 pm to cable
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In the movies don't the Feds always walk in and tell the local cops to "frick off, we're in charge now
That’s the trope in all movies. But in real life, it only happens if there is a federal law being broken in addition to state law. Otherwise, state and local police have operational control.
I think they do it that way in movies to do two things 1) justify the insertion of federal firepower into the storyline and 2) streamline the explanation of federal vs. state powers for audiences not used to the federal system.
I’ve spoken with foreign nationals permanently residing in the US and is still boggles their mind that the US is more like 50 separate countries plus 1 larger county on top rather than one single, unified country.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:08 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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news business has been invaded by no-name outlets without any journalistic integrity, fact-checking requirements, etc.
That's about the 200th thing down the line of what's wrong with journalism
What about the big networks and them completely having agendas and not actually reporting just the news?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:14 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I think it started when we found out the unabomber was an MK Ultra test subject by his Harvard professor
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:35 pm to Gee Grenouille
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:46 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:51 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Compare what this kid said on social media vs what the Jan 6 protesters did. The protesters were hunted down and arrested, the shooter was allowed to stay on the street until he snapped.
Start putting stuff on social media about over throwing the government and see how fast you get a visit from an alphabet agency.
Start putting stuff on social media about over throwing the government and see how fast you get a visit from an alphabet agency.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:52 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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My question as to the “why” refers to why would the local police chief (the one who put a pause on the assault of the gunman) be in on the conspiracy?
Just some creative thinking here after years of reading CIA and spy novels.
People with something to hide can often be controlled by someone that finds their secret and threatens to expose them.
That is just one possibility.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:53 pm to offshoretrash
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Compare what this kid said on social media vs what the Jan 6 protesters did.
Was anyone involved in January 6 arrested BEFORE January 6 for what they did ON January 6? Are precogs a thing?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:57 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Because wide ranging public support is needed to defeat or severely modify the 2A.
Things that won't move public support:
-War time and shooting "enemies" by the thousands
-Drug deals gone bad
-Innocent kids being killed by accidental shootings
-Gang shootouts
-Feds shooting anyone
-property disputes between individuals
-Authoritarian strongmen murdering their political adversaries (foreign lands)
-Religious wars between brown people
-Genocide in foreign countries
But what will? Innocent children being murdered at a school shooting. But only if the perp is a private individual. Feds can kill more at one incident (Waco) and the public says they had it coming.
Things that won't move public support:
-War time and shooting "enemies" by the thousands
-Drug deals gone bad
-Innocent kids being killed by accidental shootings
-Gang shootouts
-Feds shooting anyone
-property disputes between individuals
-Authoritarian strongmen murdering their political adversaries (foreign lands)
-Religious wars between brown people
-Genocide in foreign countries
But what will? Innocent children being murdered at a school shooting. But only if the perp is a private individual. Feds can kill more at one incident (Waco) and the public says they had it coming.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:53 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Here is an attack that had direct FBI involvement.
Culwell Center attack
A "retired" FBI agent is currently being questioned in the Buffalo attack a few weeks ago.
LINK to story
If you think the FBI isn't involved in these attacks before they happen I'm not sure what other proof you need.
ETA: I think the police response was sheer incompetence and took no prior planning. The cops in all that tactical gear are just playing dress up.
Everyone wants to be a gangster until it's time to do gangster stuff.
Culwell Center attack
A "retired" FBI agent is currently being questioned in the Buffalo attack a few weeks ago.
LINK to story
If you think the FBI isn't involved in these attacks before they happen I'm not sure what other proof you need.
ETA: I think the police response was sheer incompetence and took no prior planning. The cops in all that tactical gear are just playing dress up.
Everyone wants to be a gangster until it's time to do gangster stuff.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:01 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Of course, that's also been assaulted in the last ten years as the news business has been invaded by no-name outlets without any journalistic integrity, fact-checking requirements, etc.
LOL!
You mean like ABC who showed footage from a gun range in Kentucky and claimed it was fighting in Syria in an attempt to make Trump look bad?
Our media period, mainstream and all, are total shite
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:02 pm to eitek1
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If you think the FBI isn't involved in these attacks before they happen I'm not sure what other proof you need.
You’re line of thinking infers that the FBI would be involved in every mass shooting ever just because they’re potentially involved in some.
Even I grant that they are involved in some, by sheer logistics they can’t be involved in all. There aren’t that many FBI special agents to cover that much territory.
All that being said, the Buffalo news is interesting but, if he’s a retired FBI special agent, I’m not sure what that is supposed to demonstrate. That FBI agents are white supremacists themselves in their private lives? There’s probably Pentecostal preachers, physicians, dog catchers, and housewives lurking in those Reddit and Chan threads. (They tend to have 100s to 1000s of users.) Is it a significant finding that one of them is a former Fed?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:04 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Only conspiracies I can think of are 1619 project and white privilege.
Those are both conspiracy theories only an idiot would believe.
Those are both conspiracy theories only an idiot would believe.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:05 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I said it early on with both of them, and some people here really don't like to hear it, that the F B I is useless. Both of those shooters were known to the F B I. Hell, the CO shooter was able to pass a background check while being on one of the F B I's lists. Through either incompetence or willful action they allowed both of those shootings to happen.
The same people blaming the FBI because these shooters had known issues are the same ones that typically lose their shite at the mention of red flag laws.
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