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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:28 pm to
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10426 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:28 pm to
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and its going to lead worst case catastrophic outcomes for them.


Such as?
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
2738 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:47 pm to
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And the problem they have with students here is that they drop out when they hit those classes, because they're usually coming from bad academic backgrounds (most of them have to finish high school equivalency programs before they can start the trade education).

That’s exactly what happened to my cousin's son. He just wanted to get a job in IT. Now he’s working at a convenience store for min wage.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19291 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:49 pm to
Ukraine loses everything east of the Dnieper, as well the southern coast including Odessa and Nikolaev.

Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10426 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:55 pm to
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Odessa and Nikolaev


Russia is gonna conquer those cities? Without tanks, APCs, Naval power, or control of the air?

How's Putin gonna do that?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81929 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:28 am to
Good post, mate
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17894 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 3:33 am to
Ukraine should surrender now and give Putin what he wants, or else Putin might conquer Ukraine and get what he wants.

Somehow, that's not persuasive.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2523 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:04 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 29 April 2024

According to the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine, 604 civilians were killed or wounded in the month of March 2024. This equates to a 20% increase over the previous month. These deaths are attributed to missile and aerial-munitions strikes throughout Ukraine and increased bombardment at the frontlines. The report highlights the increased coordinated strikes on Ukrainian critical infrastructure with 20 destroyed or damaged sites.

There were 57 children reported killed, double the previous month, and this was attributed directly to Russian use of aerial munitions. In total there have been 31,366 civilian casualties in Ukraine (including Ukrainian-controlled and Russian-controlled territories) since 24 February 2022: 10,810 killed and 20,556 wounded. These figures highlight the tremendous cost of life sustained from Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3683 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:34 am to
Random tweets

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Canada will transfer 50 armored personnel carriers to Ukraine, - Defense Minister Bill Blair

According to him, the first 10 LAV II ACSV Super Bison combat vehicles will be sent this summer to Germany, where the Ukrainian military will undergo the appropriate training program, and by the fall they should go to the front.

The armored personnel carriers are part of $650 million in military support to Kyiv.

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Baltic states accused Russia of suppressing GPS systems near Kaliningrad

The Financial Times quoted a source as saying that Russia was jamming GPS signals to prevent drone attacks on Kaliningrad. Pilots claim they lose their geolocation signal in the air, which means they cannot safely reach their planned destination.

In March 2024, a British Air Force plane carrying British Defense Secretary Grant Shapps and a group of journalists lost its signal while returning from Poland and flew near Kaliningrad.

In April 2024, The Sun newspaper wrote that thousands of British flights had been subjected to GPS suppression. This is believed to have been done by Russia. Interference in Baltic airspace on more than 2,300 of its flights was reported by Ryanair, Wizz Air on nearly 1,400, British Airways on 82 and EasyJet on four.

On April 25 and 26, two Finnair planes traveling from Helsinki to the Estonian city of Tartu were forced to return to their departure airport due to GPS interference.

According to experts, tens of thousands of civilian flights have been affected by GPS jamming in recent months. The jamming, which affects all GPS users in the area, has also interfered with signals used by ships in the Baltic Sea, leading to warnings from the Swedish navy about the safety of shipping.

Baltic politicians are sounding the alarm, saying such actions by Russia could lead to tragic consequences.

"If someone turns off your headlights while you are driving at night, the trip becomes dangerous. The situation in the Baltic region near Russia's borders has now become too dangerous to ignore," Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said.

"We perceive what is happening with GPS as part of Russia's hostile actions, and we will definitely discuss it with our allies," Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna said. She said she considered it "hybrid attacks."

Experts say there are several different sources of GPS interference: one appears to be based in Kaliningrad, another is responsible for interference in Estonia and Finland, and yet another source affects the far north of Norway and Finland.

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The desertion rate is increasing among the russian army, - MDI.

In total, more than 18,000 russian servicemen voluntarily left the military units of the district.

The lion's share - about 12 thousand fugitives - belongs to the 8th combined army of the USSR, which the russians constantly use in hostilities in the east of Ukraine. Approximately 10,000 of them were drafted by Moscow through mobilization. The remaining 2,000 are contract employees.

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A Czech investigation has confirmed that the 2014 explosions at weapons depots in the village of Vrbetice were carried out by members of Russian military intelligence (GRU)

The aim was to prevent the delivery of weapons and ammunition to areas where the Russian army was conducting its operations - primarily Syria and Ukraine. This was stated by the head of the National Center for Combating Organized Crime of the Police of the Czech Republic, Jirí Mazánek.

At the same time, the police had to close the case because Russia refused to cooperate with the Czech investigation.

The police report does not mention the names of GRU officers, but earlier investigators named Anatoly Chepiga and Alexander Mishkin. Britain believes they were involved in the 2018 poisoning of former Soviet spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury

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Turkey will refuse Russian gas in favor of American LNG

While Putin does not give up hopes of organizing a gas hub in Turkey, Ankara has decided to move in the opposite direction - to reduce dependence on Russian energy resources.

To replace Russian gas, Turkey is supposed to buy huge volumes from a country "unfriendly" to Russia, with which Turkey is restoring relations after they had been deteriorating for several years.

Turkey intends to build a "portfolio of new supplies" to reduce dependence on any supplier, Energy Minister Alparslan Bayraktar told the Financial Times.

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Polish farmers unblock all checkpoints on the border with Ukraine

Truck traffic resumed at the Rawa Ruska-Hrebenne border crossing.

LINK

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36065 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:51 am to
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What they need is serious diplomatic efforts in the West to find a way to get Russia to agree to some sort of peace the Ukrainians can live with


Find a way? Yes, surrender. There is nothing that indicates that Russia is going to stop the invasion that began ten years ago.

Putin went all in over two years ago.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1996 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:19 am to
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Ukraine should surrender now and give Putin what he wants, or else Putin might conquer Ukraine and get what he wants.

Somehow, that's not persuasive.


If you frame arguments in dumb ways, of course they won't be persuasive.

Give him what he wants now, or he takes more than that later is a more accurate framing.

Negotiating fresh off an aid package that will render some of Russia's tactics null seems like a no brainer to me, but we have people with less than no brains running things so.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22406 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:34 am to
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They should have gone to the negotiating table last year after it became clear they gave Russia too much time to prepare defenses. Ukraine can't field the kind of combat power that would be required to push Russia out.



60 billion thrown up a wild hog's arse and Dementia Joe hollered sooey.

BTW: where is the one that down voted me when I said Macron was a blowhard and he said French troops would be in Ukraine.in 90 days or less? Well they better hurry up and get there before the complete line collapses.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 7:42 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22406 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:45 am to
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Putin went all in over two years ago.


He will take Moldova next.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36065 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:50 am to
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Give him what he wants now


He wants to control Ukraine.

You can argue about whether he wants to annex half the country and control the rest or what, but he wants Ukraine.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 7:58 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9514 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:07 am to
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60 billion thrown up a wild hog's arse and Dementia Joe hollered sooey.


Less than $20 billion is for Ukraine. The rest is for manufacturing and R&D here in the USA after seeing how Obama wrecked the defense manufacturing sector.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40169 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:12 am to
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US purchased 81 Soviet-era combat aircraft from Russian ally Kazakhstan, Kyiv Post reports. Kazakhstan, which is renewing its aircraft fleet, auctioned off 117 Soviet-era fighters and bombers, including MiG-31 interceptors, MiG-27 fighter-bombers, MiG-29 fighters and Su-24 bombers from the 1970s and 1980s. The declared sale value was one billion Kazakhstani tenge, said the Post, or $2.26 million, equalling an average value for each plane of $19,300. The US purchased 81 of the aged, unusable warplanes, said the Ukrainian Telegram channel Insider UA, per the Post.
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Damn < 20,000 USD for a plane. Looks like the planes are not in flying condition, but the spare parts will be important for Ukraine’s planes. I wonder how Putin feels about his decision to bail out Kazakstan? First Kazakstan doesn’t send troops to help Russia when it asked, it’s not helping Russia avoid sanctions, and now it’s selling military equipment to the USA which is obviously going to end up with Ukraine.

ETA: Kazakstan is now denying the report so take with a grain of potassium. Be sure to use Kazakstan potassium because all others have inferior potassium.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1996 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:14 am to
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He wants to control Ukraine.

You can argue about whether he wants to annex half the country and control the rest or what, but he wants Ukraine.


Maybe. But he definitely wants US and NATO influence out of Ukraine.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22406 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:15 am to
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after seeing how Obama wrecked the defense manufacturing sector.


I agree with you regarding Obama, but what happened to all of the money Trump spent on the military? That was a huge sum. Trump use to brag about it all of the time.

And the aid package is still totally deficit spending.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10426 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:17 am to
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But he definitely wants US and NATO influence out of Ukraine


Three years ago less than 5% of Americans could find Ukraine on a map.

Currently it's a Top 3 issue in the Presidential election and last week members of Congress were waiving Ukrainian flags.

I think it's safe to say Putin miscalculated here.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40169 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:28 am to
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What they need is serious diplomatic efforts in the West to find a way to get Russia to agree to some sort of peace the Ukrainians can live with Find a way? Yes, surrender. There is nothing that indicates that Russia is going to stop the invasion that began ten years ago.


Darth claims to be neutral and looking at this from a historical perspective. However, he only follows pro-Russia leaning sources like Big Serge. Therefore his analysis is flawed but like most historians he will not admit it. Those pro-Russian leaning sources have switched from saying that Russia is going to completely defeat Ukraine to saying that Ukraine can’t defeat Russia therefore it should make peace. Darth claims are a reflection of that. That is why he scampers away when asked how he expects the two sides to come to a deal when one side is saying that it will only agree to start peace talks once Ukraine completely surrenders. That is unacceptable to Ukraine right now. There is no way for Ukraine and Russia can come to a peace deal that both sides can live with right now.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36065 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:35 am to
I haven’t seen any indications that Russia will compromise in any way. And why should they?
To settle for less would mean Putin wasted the lives of tens of thousands of Russians for half a loaf?
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 8:36 am
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