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re: Last Day of School - Teachers Rejoice!

Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:03 pm to
Posted by Rio
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:03 pm to
If teachers can't get their grading and planning done in their off hour, then they have terrible time management skills and probably don't know the subject matter like they should.

I've been teaching math for 6 years and I can grade papers and plan a lesson in my off hour
Posted by LSU2001
Cut Off, La.
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:19 pm to
I agree for the most part. However, remember that not all teachers have planning time during the school day. The way the law is written, planning time is only required if district funding permits. Some districts have no "off hour" for planning and most districts don't have scheduled planning for self contained elementary classroom teachers.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:29 pm to
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If teachers can't get their grading and planning done in their off hour, then they have terrible time management skills and probably don't know the subject matter like they should.

I've been teaching math for 6 years and I can grade papers and plan a lesson in my off hour




That would likely have to do with how many different classes you are having to prep for and grade papers for. It would also depend on whether or not you coach sports or serve on various committees.

My wife teaches 6th grade advanced Math, inclusion Math, and advanced Science. She also is the middle school cheer coach and the math department head. She has 6 periods that she teaches and she gets one 45 minute planning period. She brings shite home every single night and works on school stuff most weekends. I have a hard time believing it's because she's a poor manager of time.

I would argue the contrary. If you're able to get all that done for all of your classes within a 45-60 minute time frame, and you don't have to take stuff home to work on or grade, you're probably not putting much effort into it.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 9:34 pm
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:33 pm to
I'm a teacher and I can assure you I am not doing a damn thing all summer minus one workshop next week for one day.

I also wont complain about my pay because I knew what it would be going in. For me, all the time off is worth far more than making more money and begging to have 2 weeks a year off. I value time off more than money. Others do not and they shouldn't be teaching if they want/need more money.

I also don't have children so money goes a bit farther for me and I will never have children so that wont be an issue in the future, either.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 9:35 pm
Posted by Coach72
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:33 pm to
Teaching, coaching, and drivers ed bro. Since my "nice vacation" of choice is camping and fishing - not a problem.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:38 pm to
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Insert joke about you having awful English teachers and lacking reading comprehension here.


Yeah, thanks. I'll spare you the pissing contest about my educational background, but my reading comprehension skills are just fine, thanks.

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No. Teachers do not get paid for summer. They get paid for the number of school days in a school calendar. In Tuscaloosa County, it's around 185. Teachers are allowed to take their salary for working those 185 days and split it into 12 separate checks, so they still receive a check during the summer months for easier budgeting and financial management. Teachers don't get paid for summers, weekends, or Holidays.


You're engaging In a ridiculous semantic argument. I negotiate contracts for a living, so I am well aware of compensation mechanisms. They get paid a yearly salary. Yes, they may have discretion to determine how that compensate is disbursed, but that is their annual salary.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:40 pm to
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If teachers can't get their grading and planning done in their off hour, then they have terrible time management skills and probably don't know the subject matter like they should.

I've been teaching math for 6 years and I can grade papers and plan a lesson in my off hour


I read this post to my wife and she hasn't spoken to me since. She thinks you're a terrible teacher, FWIW.

Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:41 pm to
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You're engaging In a ridiculous semantic argument. I negotiate contracts for a living, so I am well aware of compensation mechanisms. They get paid a yearly salary. Yes, they may have discretion to determine how that compensate is disbursed, but that is their annual salary.


I don't care what you do for a living. We are on a contract for a certain number of days. Most verbiage says "9 month contract" for teachers and "11 month contract" for administrators.

We aren't getting paid for summers. As a matter of fact, until about 5 years ago - we only received 9 checks a year. They recently adjusted to splitting those payments into 12 to make financial planning easier.

Our "annual salary" is a school year salary. 187 days. Teachers don't get paid a dime for their time off during the summer.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:49 pm to
"Uh.....I know I haven't passed all year and didn't do any of the extra credit but is there any way I can pull my 31 up to passing by next Friday?"

Only one more week bitches!!!
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:51 pm to
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"Uh.....I know I haven't passed all year and didn't do any of the extra credit but is there any way I can pull my 31 up to passing by next Friday?"


Worse than that... school guidance counselors asking that question for the student (senior) who slept all year long and literally didn't complete a single assignment except for unit tests. Yes... that actually happened.

Posted by lsufan9193969700
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:57 pm to
I had students and parents coming from every direction during the last two weeks. It is funny how those students did nearly nothing all year and how those parents were no-shows all year.


By the way, I have been off since Friday at 11 am.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:03 pm to
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the student (senior) who slept all year long and literally didn't complete a single assignment except for unit tests. Yes... that actually happened.



I did that in algebra class junior year. A couple of times I stay awake cause I was tripping though.
Posted by Rio
Member since May 2015
286 posts
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:05 pm to
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I would argue the contrary. If you're able to get all that done for all of your classes within a 45-60 minute time frame, and you don't have to take stuff home to work on or grade, you're probably not putting much effort into it.

If you're putting more time into it you probably don't know the subject material and probably shouldn't be teaching the class to start with
Posted by lsufan9193969700
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:07 pm to
Rio, you are clueless.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:10 pm to
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If you're putting more time into it you probably don't know the subject material and probably shouldn't be teaching the class to start with


So you're saying if it takes longer than an hour to plan for 3 different class subjects and grade assignments/projects for 6 different classes (~140 students) then you don't know the subject and shouldn't be teaching?



If you can do all of that in an hour, then I tend to believe you just don't give a shite about what you're teaching.

ETA: Planning interactive lessons with strategic teaching strategies takes longer than an hour to do when you're having to do it for 6 different classes and differentiating those lessons based on the makeup of the students you have in your classroom. That doesn't even take into account having to grade assignments from 140+ students.

No idea how you're doing all of that in an hour.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 10:17 pm
Posted by lsufan9193969700
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:18 pm to
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If you're putting more time into it you probably don't know the subject material and probably shouldn't be teaching the class to start with


So you're saying if it takes longer than an hour to plan for 3 different class subjects and grade assignments/projects for 6 different classes (~140 students) then you don't know the subject and shouldn't be teaching?



If you can do all of that in an hour, then I tend to believe you just don't give a shite about what you're teaching


This!

Don't forget the PLC meetings, content meetings, guidance department meetings, 504 meetings, IEP meetings, duty, data meetings, parent conferences, student round ups, referrals that need to be written, phone calls to parents, student fights, meetings with sheriff officers, and various other issues that happen...
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:20 pm to
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Don't forget the PLC meetings, content meetings, guidance department meetings, 504 meetings, IEP meetings, duty, data meetings, parent conferences, student round ups, referrals that need to be written, phone calls to parents, student fights, meetings with sheriff officers, and various other issues that happen...


I don't even want to think about all the extra crap that gets piled on that doesn't have anything to do with actually teaching. But you're exactly right. If you're actually doing your job, there's no way all of that gets done in an hour.
Posted by lsufan9193969700
3 miles from B.R.
Member since Sep 2003
55110 posts
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:25 pm to
I am usually there from 5:45-3:30 most days. I usually have another 8-10 hours of work at home each week. I actually do my job. We have 15-20 of our 100+ teachers who do the minimum, though. Most of us do our job, though, and seldom have an "off hour," much less a grading hour.
Posted by Rio
Member since May 2015
286 posts
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:26 pm to
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No idea how you're doing all of that in an hour.

usually with various colored markers and a red pen
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31910 posts
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:26 pm to
You're trolling or just a horrible teacher that puts no effort in.

I'm a first year teacher so my lesson planning and grading definitely is slower than it should be.

But you're still full of shite
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