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re: LAPD buying 7000 body cams, but wants to review footage before release
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:19 am to Hammertime
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:19 am to Hammertime
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One of your blue line buddies didn't waze himself the other day and gave me a ticket at a speed trap
That's how you know it wasn't me. ;-)
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Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:29 am to fightin tigers
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Were your rights violated in the traffic stop? Yes, it should be available. Are you just wanting it to prove you didn't speed? No.
Why shouldn't it be provided if you want to prove you weren't speeding? In speeding citations, it's generally your word versus theirs which is bullshite. Police aren't some superior species that are immune to lying. They should have to prove you were speeding with more than their word or a device they can't even prove was aimed at your vehicle.
The videos should be saved offsite with a third party. They shouldn't be able to edit the video under normal circumstances, and both the police and the involved parties should be able to ask for viewing privileges.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:34 am to GoldenD
So, a body cam will show what?
You have already been caught they are just writing you a ticket.
You have already been caught they are just writing you a ticket.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:40 am to Hammertime
I would hope they have a time stamp but I guess that wouldn't be too hard to fake
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:56 am to fightin tigers
Them actually radaring you? Having more information is good for both the citizens and the police. Holds them both more accountable.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:05 am to TheAlmightySmash
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I would hope they have a time stamp
Yes, see below:
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but I guess that wouldn't be too hard to fake
Pretty hard for me. The settings are locked on my MDT. Even if they were not, the keystrokes are logged. Can't disappear the footage either. Here is the locked hard drive:
Only IT has that key. They are not cops.
Here are the automatic triggers for the camera:
Notice on the left the spot for my speed and the speed that has been captured. Any of the triggers back record. For example, I hit the lights, captures 10 seconds before I hit the lights.
By the way, I can't review the footage. If needed, I have to request to view it at the station. One recording stops it is automatically uploaded and logged.
A gold star if anyone can point out the odd thing about that last picture. Hint, it does not benefit me.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:07 am to GoldenD
That's some hardcore conspiracy there. We need to both have a radar to document the speed of a motorist and then a camera on the officer pointed at the radar display to document what the radar reading is. We should probably have a second camera mounted in front of the officer and the radar so we can capture both and have a second video from a different perspective that we can then sync together. Since we can't guarantee that everyone has the funds to buy computers or other equipment to view videos, we should probably build small theaters for everyone to come watch their videos. All to enforce speeding tickets and because the assumption is that officers don't actually stop speeding motorists, they just select motorists at random and falsely accuse them of speeding.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:08 am to GoldenD
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Them actually radaring you? Having more information is good for both the citizens and the police. Holds them both more accountable.
So you want 24 hour surveillance on them?
These demands just keep getting better.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:11 am to fightin tigers
While we're at it, every government worker needs a camera mounted on them so we can see what they're doing every minute of their shifts. 
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:15 am to Five0
Why do the triggers go from 5 to 7? Where is #6
Why did you mark out your name?
The case on that hard drive looks a little scratched up, how many times have to tried to get in that thing?
Why did you mark out your name?
The case on that hard drive looks a little scratched up, how many times have to tried to get in that thing?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:21 am to MrLarson
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Where is #6
Bingo. #6 is the remote activation.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:27 am to Five0
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So the LAPD decides that it's officers all need body cams now. But then they also decide that they are going to review all of the footage before it is released to the public
To redact sensitive information
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and before they write their reports
Because memory isn't perfect
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:35 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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So you want 24 hour surveillance on them? These demands just keep getting better.
No, but having a body camera activated anytime there is an interaction with a motorist, suspect, etc is needed. A system like the one FiveO posted is a huge step in the right direction.
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That's some hardcore conspiracy there. We need to both have a radar to document the speed of a motorist and then a camera on the officer pointed at the radar display to document what the radar reading is. We should probably have a second camera mounted in front of the officer and the radar so we can capture both and have a second video from a different perspective that we can then sync together. Since we can't guarantee that everyone has the funds to buy computers or other equipment to view videos, we should probably build small theaters for everyone to come watch their videos. All to enforce speeding tickets and because the assumption is that officers don't actually stop speeding motorists, they just select motorists at random and falsely accuse them of speeding.
You're being ridiculous. And you would be crazy if you believe people aren't wrongly accused of speeding everyday. I have personally been wrongful cited before, which is the reason I think more evidence should be required to prove someone was speeding other than them saying so.
Having a a body camera would suffice in recording an officer using a handheld radar.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:42 am to GoldenD
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A system like the one FiveO posted is a huge step in the right direction.
System is about 8 years old (current configuration). Grated it is a dash cam and back seat camera system.
ETA: The key will be wireless tech for body cams and storage capacity for all the additional audio/video data. We keep it for two years. Five would be more appropriate for most civil litigation.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:44 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:55 am to Huey Lewis
Exactly, you have to be able to redact footage. My firm is currently reviewing this right now. There are many things that can't just be given freely to anybody who asks.
Eta: can't spell.
Eta: can't spell.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:56 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:05 am to wickowick
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They will have to add an entire department to handle review and storage of the videos.
The storage requirements for 7000 camera's is going to boggle the mind. The Taser camera they are using takes 1TB to store 700 hrs of video.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:15 am to Hammertime
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I feel like a better policy would be to upload them to a server after every day, where the cops could not see or edit them.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:17 am to Hammertime
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If you want to sue them, you basically have to be completely sure of everything that went on before you spend the thousands of dollars on a lawyer to file a civil suit.
I thought lawyers just took 30-40% of the winning in most cases and you don't pay anything up front?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:17 am to GoldenD
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people accused of speeding
The two times I've been pulled over I've asked to see the radar. Both times I was told they "paced" me. Went to court on both and was told they were dropped.
Eta: once in BR once in DC
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:19 am to elprez00
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Shouldn't these be public record?
if they are paid for with tax money....yes and subject to foi requests
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